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A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
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Hi I wonder if someone can give me a bit of advice.

 

We have struggled to pay the council tax this year and ended up in arrears and a liability order. I havent heard anything from the council since the liability order until today a bailiff came knocking at the door. he said i had to pay 10% then the rest can be paid on a payment plan. I told him there is nothing I can do at this moment as i dont have a penny. Thankfully he accepted that and told me to ring them handing me a letter which presumably he would have just pushed through the letter box had i not been in. (think it helpped that my baby was screaming his head off coz his lunch had just been interupted)

 

thankfully after some panicked phone calls to family I have managed to get the money together and aim to pay them tomorrow but a couple of questions for one the bailiff gave me a figure owed that is over £100 more than what the letter he handed me says so i am presuming i pay what the letter says rather than what he says. maybe he wanted to pocket the extra for himself?

 

Also I have read numerous times that i should pay the council not the bailiff so am i guessing i can pay the amount on the letter over the internet through the councils website which is how I always used to pay it (when I could) and once i have paid it should i contact the bailiff to say i have paid or just leave it and if they contact me show them the recipt that i have paid?

 

Any advice would be much appreciated and thank you in advance.

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right pay the council direct, but use online system (they will turn you away if you go to pay in cash) there was no need to panic over this. Is there a list of charges and if so what charges did he put? Are you paying the 10% or the full amount?

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Thankfully the full amount. there is a bit that says todays visit fee which is £24.50 then total outstanding further down there is a list with second visit fee:£18, levy fee£28 + £59, walking possession £12 x2, administration fee in accordance with section H:£24.50 if applicable x2

 

Im guessing these are what they will charge me for future things.

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So should I pay the amount thats on the letter and after payment should i contact the bailiff and tell them i've paid?

 

Thank you so much for the advice Padja.

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cant charge 2 wp on same visit

section H - cant charge that

 

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I take it they can only charge the 24.50 which it states todays visit fee which is the first contact I have had from them and all he really did was hand me the letter after telling me what i owed then promptly left.

 

Do you think this would have been added on the outstanding amount or is this on top as the total outstanding has been hand written in.

 

thanks dx

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You only owe the first visit fee, ask the council what is on the LO, and pay that in plus £24.50 for the first visit fee, he hasn't levied any goods yet, so cannot charge a head h fee to redeem the goods on a non existent levy, neither are any of the other fees applicable. Others will bealong, but there is no law that says you have to deal with the bailiff so pay off the outstanding plus the £24.50 to the council, and ignore the bailiff he is a lying duplicitous cheat.

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Will the council tell me though or just say i have to ask the bailiff? Mind you trying to get hold of our council is virtually impossible.

I cant understand the extra £100 difference between what he said and what the letter said just doesnt add up.

 

Thanks brassnecked.

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right pay the council direct, but use online system (they will turn you away if you go to pay in cash) - if you do pay in cash at the Council they are obliged to take it, any refusal and you politely ask for the name & position of the person refusing as it will form the basis of a complaint against the Council - there was no need to panic over this. Is there a list of charges and if so what charges did he put? Are you paying the 10% or the full amount?

 

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Will the council tell me though or just say i have to ask the bailiff? Mind you trying to get hold of our council is virtually impossible.

I cant understand the extra £100 difference between what he said and what the letter said just doesnt add up.

 

Thanks brassnecked.

 

Of the the extra £100, the bailiff has added, £75.50 of it is invalid imho, you only owe the first visit fee on top. you can pay it direct into the council using the online system. If you tender the payment and the council refuse it ask the person refusing the payment, to sign a note to that effect and the reason why they refuse it, and send a Formal complaint to head of revenues, and the CEO, elected leader and MP, stating that a lawful payment was refused you think to garner extra fees for a bailiff.

 

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Will the council tell me though or just say i have to ask the bailiff? Mind you trying to get hold of our council is virtually impossible.

I cant understand the extra £100 difference between what he said and what the letter said just doesnt add up.

 

Thanks brassnecked.

 

It sounds as if you may have found one of the genuine Bailiffs and he has put this on to make you aware of the extra charges you could be charged. Secondly there may be a clue in your original post when you said "(think it helpped that my baby was screaming his head off coz his lunch had just been interupted)" which should have set an alarm off for him telling him that you are probably classed as "vulnerable" according to the National Standards for Enforcement Agents.

 

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It sounds as if you may have found one of the genuine Bailiffs and he has put this on to make you aware of the extra charges you could be charged. Secondly there may be a clue in your original post when you said "(think it helpped that my baby was screaming his head off coz his lunch had just been interupted)" which should have set an alarm off for him telling him that you are probably classed as "vulnerable" according to the National Standards for Enforcement Agents.

 

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Thanks brassnecked and PT think I will forget about the figure he told me and just go by what the letter says cant remember the exact amount anyhow.

I thought the baby may have helpped as he seemed to back away a bit as soon as he heard him and seemed a little eager to get it over with and leave. Will have to remember that one :-)

 

Will sort this out first thing in the morning and pay it over the internet so it is out the way and one less thing to worry about. But do I need to contact the bailiff to say I have paid?

 

You have all be so helpful Thank you. x

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Will sort this out first thing in the morning and pay it over the internet so it is out the way and one less thing to worry about. But do I need to contact the bailiff to say I have paid? Only you can decide this but if you do pay the Council will inform the Bailiff anyway, make sure you print a receipt off. If it were me I would just ignore him as a minor irritation after all there is no law that says you have to speak to or deal with a Bailiff.

You have all be so helpful Thank you. x

 

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