Caught on train with own manufactured train ticket

[Justice_]

In fairness I did not mention any particular firm, it was the OP who actually named them and HB has quite rightly removed the name from the posts.

 

The point that HB makes regarding advice given many times in the past is very important. If you have to consult a lawyer in these sort of cases, it is always best to get the best deal you can with someone who deals regularly with criminal matters and is familiar with the court where your case is to be heard.

 

Almost daily we see letters from lawyers representing people charged with these offences, but find their understanding of the specific legislation is sadly lacking. Frequently it will be someone who specialises in conveyancing, civil rights or commercial law and whilst they undoubtedly know their own specialism very well, they may not alway be equipped to achieve the best for their client and will normally want paying for all the time they spend on a case. It's a bit like everything else we buy I'm afraid, the quality can be variable.

Apologies, all I saw was the quote of your post by HB (which still includes the name, by the way).

[Old-CodJA]

Yes, I see that the initials are still there in the quoted post.

 

Perhaps HB will be kind enough to remove them for me please?

 

Thanks

[honeybee13]

Yes, I see that the initials are still there in the quoted post.

 

Perhaps HB will be kind enough to remove them for me please?

 

Thanks

 

Oh dear, are they? Thank you for letting me know, I'll have a look.

 

HB

[honeybee13]

Edit done, I hope.

[Old-CodJA]

Thank you! :-)

[Maximaxi]

Apologies yes it was me who included names, silly me!

[Maximaxi]

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[Maximaxi]

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[numbers666]

Hi,

 

Speaking from knowledge of a fellow (ex) collegue, who did the same thing, he was not subject to a bye law breach but was charged by BTP under the

Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981. The sentence was severe albeit suspended. I would say that a bye law offence would be a light charge compared with the possibility of the more serious.

 

Once you have more information, obviously you will be entitled to legal representation, please ensure you seek it, and dont go it alone.

 

N

[Maximaxi]

Thanks for the information N, seems like people who've done this before haven't gotten off lightly due to the severity of offence. I've already prepared myself for the worst now, still waiting anxiously for the verification letter/ summons, just taking it one day at a time as I'll be driving myself crazy stressing over it all.

[Grotesque]

It's not worth it after all.

 

...Hey! The systems works

[Grotesque]

Edit done, I hope.

 

 

It's very cute LOL

[type-r]

Anyone know the outcome of this? Would be interested to know what happened to Max.

[dx100uk]

not after 12mts i'd doubt it

 

i'd start your own thread

 

you'll get ignore here if you need help

 

see video below

 

dx

[Maximaxi]

Just to update that there isn't an outcome yet. I never received a letter from the train company and/ or courts, I am still waiting.

[Grotesque]

Then you're probably off the hook by now?

[timbo58]

Jesus! if he is then the RPI that had that landed in his lap would be forever having the pee taken out of him!

I'd be REALLY surprised if a Toc actually decided to let it go as BTP most certainly wouldn't if the matter was handed over, so it must have failed due to some procedural error of the biggest significance.

 

If it had been a member of my RPI team (when I had one many years ago) at fault he'd be doing the rear barrier at Reading for 6 months at least in penance!

[Old-CodJA]

Jesus! if he is then the RPI that had that landed in his lap would be forever having the pee taken out of him!

I'd be REALLY surprised if a Toc actually decided to let it go as BTP most certainly wouldn't if the matter was handed over, so it must have failed due to some procedural error of the biggest significance.

 

If it had been a member of my RPI team (when I had one many years ago) at fault he'd be doing the rear barrier at Reading for 6 months at least in penance!

 

 

Blimey, you'd go easy on them then timbo, I can think of some really 'creative' duties for anyone who cocked that one up!!

 

( and yes, I did Reading in my time....along with the rest of NSE.!)

[timbo58]

Blimey, you'd go easy on them then timbo, I can think of some really 'creative' duties for anyone who cocked that one up!! (and yes, I did Reading in my time....along with the rest of NSE.!)

 

oops and then 6 months at slough, then another 6 months at reading west in the snowy/festival season.

Hows that?

 

 

I wouldn't be cruel enough to insist on didcot parkway mind, thats inhumane.

[Old-CodJA]

oops and then 6 months at slough, then another 6 months at reading west in the snowy/festival season.

Hows that?

 

 

I wouldn't be cruel enough to insist on didcot parkway mind, thats inhumane.

 

 

Aaah! one of us...

[timbo58]

Hated Didcot with a passion (HST chap here mind) with it's regular fare evasion and uppity regular commuters charging through 1st class stealing news papers and seats until they realised someone would come through AFTER we left the station (poor them when I was an RPI commuting in from Chippenham-Reading every single day) I did this in my OWN time as it was so nice to see the smiles on the faces of everyone else in 1st.

 

I could see them looking for where the guard was when they joined and smiling as they sat down safe in the knowledge they could sit foc probably all the way to Padd.

 

Oh dear, what a shame, at least 3 reported almost every day ('1947 R v makin' and all before the start of my working day.

 

I think the word rhymes with 'bankers'.

The irony is they could have all found a seat in std if they'd made the effort before reading but they all ended up reported for avoidance of the correct fare AND no seat by the time they'd stopped blushing and blustering profusely.

 

 

[Grotesque]

Oh dear, what a shame, at least 3 reported almost every day ('1947 R v makin' and all before the start of my working day.

 

I bet they were gutted you didn't even leave them the caution to read... after all the newspapers were gone!!! lol

 

What's '1947 R v makin'? Not heard of that one.

[timbo58]

it's the (forgive if I've misquoted) 'test case' that proved 'a passenger that using 1st class accommodation with a standard class ticket (probably 2nd class in those days) has not paid his fare'.

Basically in normal parlance it means that in court having a standard ticket in 1st class is not a mitigating argument: for 1st class you either have a 1st class ticket or you have no ticket in the eyes of the law, similar to a non valid ticket = nowt otherwise.

 

We didn't have cautions written down, however it was a distinct pleasure in sitting down and 'sotte voce' stating the caution then writing a few bits down, taking a note of the (usually) standard season ticket number, asking for ID and stating the offence would be reported and 'you can return to standard accommodation now'.

 

oh! 'what will happen now' they'd say: not up to me guvnor: the prosecutions people will decide that.

 

I've seen car cigarette lighters less red.......

[Grotesque]

Thank you comrade, I am fully conversant with the requirement to take seats according to class of ticket... in any parlance!!!

 

But thanks for the detail, cool story.

[Stigy]

Jesus! if he is then the RPI that had that landed in his lap would be forever having the pee taken out of him!

I'd be REALLY surprised if a Toc actually decided to let it go as BTP most certainly wouldn't if the matter was handed over, so it must have failed due to some procedural error of the biggest significance.

 

If it had been a member of my RPI team (when I had one many years ago) at fault he'd be doing the rear barrier at Reading for 6 months at least in penance!

BTP probably wouldn't let it go, I agree. Having said that, he'd probably have got off relatively unscathed with a Caution, as they seem to be dished out like sweets.