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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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I am writing this for my friend who is in the process of appealing against Zero Points at the Atos Medical and 0 Points he recieved over the telephone in an unexpected phone assessment at 8.45am a couple of weeks ago via a DWP assessor

 

My friend suffers from the following things which severely limit his day to day activities, so much so that I am having to ask these questions for him!

 

1. Ostemyelitis - infection of the leg bones in the past which causes pain and swelling to his lower limbs

2. Depression - On Medication for this

3. Anxiety and problems interactiing with others due to stress - he is seeing a Cognative psychotherapist to help him interact with others

4. Urinary tract disorders which givce him constant pain and as yet have yet to be identified why

5. Back Problems

6. Hypertension ( diagnosed two weeks after his appeal )

 

When my friend had the initial atos medical he was in a severe anxiety state to the point of feeling on the verge of being ill in the medical room the assessor ( doctor ) took no interest in this and continued to ask the questions, the lady who phoned him asked about other things which he says he told her about on the phone but there was no alteration in her assesment he still recieved no points what so ever!!.

 

He is very worried about what to do where to turn to and got so stressed reading the 60 page document they sent ( including the medical practitioners report which seems to disregard most of what he tells me he said in the room.

 

He has 14 days to send the letter to the local tribunals service please can anyone offer advice as to what he has to do.

 

Thanks Wayne

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Hi Wayne,

 

I'll do my best to help.

 

I'm a bit confused when you say that "he has 14 days to send the letter to the local tribunals service..".

 

You need to send the appeal form into the DWP / BDC, and not the Tribunal Service.

 

First things first (I've been through the Appeal process myself once before, and am going through it a second time currently).

 

Download the DWP GL24 Appeal Form here -

 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Diol1/DoItOnline/DG_4017514

 

Print it off, and fill it in, stating that you wish to appeal against the decision of finding him 'fit for work', on the basis if his ill health (specifying briefly the health issues).

 

Send it Recorded Delivery. You must send it asap - ie within 14 days of the date of the zero points decision, to his usual local DWP / Benefit Delivery Centre office; ie - the same address to which your friend sent his Doctor's Notes.

 

Once he's done that, come back to the forum, and we'll kindly help you with what to do next.

 

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Hello to add some things

 

he has had the Medical after filling in the pack initially last September, He was denied ESA as he scored 0 points, he appealed filling in the form and sending it in within the specified time frame, is now on ESA assessment level of £65 a week, the lady who phoned him was a lady who re assessed his condition over the phone, she was only on he says for 5 minutes he has received her letter which again gave him no points , next stage is the Tribunal

 

so in a nutshell he has

 

1. Had Atos Medical

2. Recieved Zero Points letter

3. Appealed with the relevant form

4. Been reassessed over the phone ( he was totally unprepared for this and had been up all night the night before and tired out )

5. has just got a letter from the Tribunals service saying he has 14 days to either say yes or no to a tribunal

 

IS it true that they only look at how he was on the date of the medical on November last year as he is significantly worse than he was then probably due to this I may add!

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Technically yes they look at how he was then. Also would add that diagnosis in itself means zilch wrt an ATOS medical so the list of diagnosis is irrelevant to it. What matters is whether your friend can do x, y and z tasks. So his evidence needs to say what s/he can't do and why, sometimes the why can involve a diagnosis but you would need to expand on why practically as to what s/he has difficulty doing.

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Hello to add some things

 

he has had the Medical after filling in the pack initially last September, He was denied ESA as he scored 0 points, he appealed filling in the form and sending it in within the specified time frame, is now on ESA assessment level of £65 a week, the lady who phoned him was a lady who re assessed his condition over the phone, she was only on he says for 5 minutes he has received her letter which again gave him no points , next stage is the Tribunal

 

so in a nutshell he has

 

1. Had Atos Medical

2. Recieved Zero Points letter

3. Appealed with the relevant form

4. Been reassessed over the phone ( he was totally unprepared for this and had been up all night the night before and tired out )

5. has just got a letter from the Tribunals service saying he has 14 days to either say yes or no to a tribunal

 

IS it true that they only look at how he was on the date of the medical on November last year as he is significantly worse than he was then probably due to this I may add!

 

Ok.

 

Yes, your friend now needs to send back the form to the Tribunal Service, confirming that he does want a Tribunal Hearing.

 

Remember - Don't tick the box, where it says "Are you available for an earlier, short notice Hearing?"

 

This will give your friend a good six months to prepare.

 

Your friend can seek help with preparing his Appeal letter from the CAB. They may attend the hearing with him too.

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Hello there.

 

There's also the forum sticky on appeals and tribunals. Even if your friend has help from the CAB, at least one person from the forum used the sticky template for their submission for the tribunal and Welfare Rights said it was very helpful.

 

My best, HB

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Hear, hear HB!

 

I have to thank you HB for originally posting your sticky template for the tribunal.

 

I won! (Eighteen months back now)

 

Silly me, pushed myself back into work too soon.

 

So, had to back to assessment rate (CAB are appealing this, as it seems my WRAG should've been reinstated), have a second medical, and now an upcoming second appeal!

 

:|

 

Thanks again though HB, for your helpful template.

 

Wayne, have a look. It's a great format to use.

 

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PS - Just hope I win my second one.

 

Very stressed but I'm prepared this time, and have had kind support from the CAB.

 

The CLS lady will also be coming with me to the Hearing.

 

Sorry Wayne. I'll shut it now!

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can you provide a link to the template please?.

 

Also I have just re read his Atos Assessment and the Dr who was an assessor was very aggressive in tone with him and repeatedly said " I didnt ask you that" and also said on many times " I Dont understand what you mean?, but has put on the assessment Efficient communication???

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can you provide a link to the template please?.

 

Also I have just re read his Atos Assessment and the Dr who was an assessor was very aggressive in tone with him and repeatedly said " I didnt ask you that" and also said on many times " I Dont understand what you mean?, but has put on the assessment Efficient communication???

 

Hi,

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?251737-Appealing-or-going-to-a-Tribunal-Some-useful-information(1-Viewing)-nbsp

 

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Wayne, what you've illustrated will be a good point to bring them up on, in that what was said at your friend's assessment, contradicts what is in his report.

 

Follow the template, and go through point - by - point on his report, marking any discrepancies.

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Im a bit concerned though as the assessor who wrote the report seems to have carried on regardless , he told her he felt physically sick and asked for a drink of water, she still ploughed through with the barage of questions telling him as I say " I dont ask you that!! " , Apparently the lady who re assessed on the phone siad that any complaints should be sent to Atos, seems bizarre considering they based their assessment on this report and agree with the findings after re assessing.

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Wayne, I'm afraid what you're telling us is normal here. Have a read around the forum and you'll find countless examples. It happened to me too. I think it's partly the LiMA software and the dropdown box options, but the assessors really don't get good press.

 

The only thing you can do is use the DWP's own system against them, which is what the template does.

 

I won my tribunal, I now know lee100 did [signature changed btw, you're on it now] and a few other people from the forum have as well. I hope there are others who haven't told us, I'd be very happy to hear if they did.

 

HB

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Wayne, the woman sounds utterly atrocious!

 

Par for the course though. Ask your friend to try not to take it personally, as most people 'fail' these assessments, only to win their appeals.

 

The CAB will also put in a formal complaint to ATOS, on his behalf (mine has done just that).

 

He'll be ok.

 

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Can I ask please if they they only go on the interview medical thing how will he have a hope of winning this thing?, if they dont consider anything after the Medical took place, he tells me that they didnt really ask him anything about how he felt in himself and looking at certain areas of the form Atos did they said, did not appear to be trembling wasnt sweating over much etc, surely saying you felt sick and such is a sign your not up to the drilling they give out!!

 

I mean just because someone isnt sweating like that Comedian fella at mEdical and not shaking like a leaf doesnt correlate to how someones thinking inside.

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The tribunal panel will listen to and believe what your friend tells them about his health. Any supporting evidence from his medical advisers will also help.

 

Please try not to get too hung up over the unfairness you see in Atos; it's something we all have to deal with. What you and he need now is a logical argument against their report.

 

And who knows, maybe the DWP decision maker will overturn the decision before it goes to tribunal.

 

HB

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And who knows, maybe the DWP decision maker will overturn the decision before it goes to tribunal.

 

HB

 

 

The person DWP rang him up the day after he went to a funeral at 8.45 in the morning he told the person all about the way he felt etc she was on 5 minutes and said she would re evaluate his points guess what Zero Points???

 

A;so it siad no supporting evidence supplied , none was asked for in the phone call and it was completely out of the blue, sort of like a telephone marketing thing

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Can I ask Honeybee since he has had the medical he has been referred to a Psychotherapist as he hardly leaves the house and then reluctantly is that relevant to his case, I feel its relevant but I read earlier that they only look at what was put on the assessment form, surely drs letters stating that he has mental health issues, which the GP states haven't been helped to improve via this appeal are relevant

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If by assessment form you mean Atos, then absolutely doctors' letters are relevant. You're into tribunal territory now and it's different.

 

If I may, I would suggest that you read some other threads about people here who've been to tribunal because there are lots. My own experience is limited to my own tribunal and you need more information than that.

 

HB

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