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    • Absolutely for the agreement they are referring to.... puts them on notice that this is going to be a uphill fight.   Andy 
    • Particular's of claim for reference only 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Suggested defence 1. The Defendant contends the particulars of the claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.3 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. The claimant has not complied with paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre action protocol) failed to serve a letter of claim pre claim pursuant to PAPDC changes of the 1st of October 2017. It is respectfully requested that the court take this into consideration pursuant 7.1 PAPDC. 3. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had financial dealings but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification. 4. Paragraph 2 is denied. I have not been served with a default notice pursuant to the consumer credit act 1974. 5. Paragraph 3 is denied. i am unaware of any legal assignment or notice of assignment. A copy of assignment was sent by Overdales solicitors when acknowledgement of receipt of CPR request was received, but this was not the original.   6. Paragraph 4 is denied. Neither the original creditor or the assignee have served notice pursuant to sec86c of the Credit Consumer Act 1974 Notice of Sums in Arrears and therefore prevented from charging interest on debt regulated by the CCA1974. 7. The defendant submitted a request for a copy of the alleged agreement pursuant to s78 CCA 1974. The claimant has acknowledged receipt of request but has failed to comply. The claimant has failed to provide any evidence of balance or Default Notice requested by CPR 31.14 8. It is therefore denied with regards to defendant owing any monies to the claimant. therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to:  a.  Show how the defendant has entered into an agreement with HSBC. b.  Show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a Default notice pursuant to section 87 (1) CCA 1974. c.  Show and quantify how the defendant has reached the amount claimed for. d.  Show how the claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity  to issue a claim. 8.  As per civil procedure rule 16.5 (4) it is expected claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 9.  Until such time the claimant can comply to a section 78 request he is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.     .
    • OK, well rereading the court orders from March, in the cold light of day rather than when knackered late at night, it is quite clear that on 25 June there will only be a preliminary hearing about Laura representing her son.  Nothing more. It's lazy DCBL who haven't read things properly and have stupidly sent their Witness Statement early. Laura & I had already been working on a WS, and here it is.  It needs tweaking now after reading the rubbish that DCBL sent and after all of LFI's comments.  But the "meat" is there. Defendant's WS - version 1.pdf
    • Morning, I purchased a car from Big Motoring World on 10th December 2023 for £14899.00. On the 15th December I had a problem with the auto start stop function of the car in which the car would stop in the middle of the road with a stop start error message. I called the big assist and the car was booked in for February. The BMW was with them for a week and it came back with the auto stop start feature all fine and all error codes cleared on the report from big motoring world. within 5 days I had the same issue. Warning light coming on and the car stopping. I called big assist again and the car was again booked in for an other repair in May. Car was taken back in may, they had the car for a week and returned with the report saying no issue with the auto stop start feature and blamed my driving. Within 5 days of having the car back it broke down again. This time undrivable. I had the rac pick my car up and take to Stephen James BMW for a full diagnostic. The diagnostic came back with the car needing a new fuel system as magnetic swarf was found.  I have sent big motoring world a letter stating all the issues and that under the consumer rights act 2015 I have asked for a replacement vehicle. all reports from Stephen James BMW have been sent over to big motoring world. Big motoring world have come back and said they will respond to my complaint within 14 days for the date of my complaint letter. I am not feeling confident on the response from them, what are my next steps?   Thanks in advance. 
    • That is really good is that a mistake last off "driver doesn't have a licence" I assume that should be keeper? The Court requested me to send the Court and applicant proof of my sons disability from their GP this clearly shows he has Severe Mental Impairement, he is also illiterate.  I naively assumed once the applicant received this that they would drop the claim.  It offends me that Bank has asked the Judge to throw the case out at the preliminary hearing and to make us pay up.
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      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
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I think he requested them to be removed.

 

Indeed that is the case.

 

Some of his posts also broke the forum rules, in regards to trying to get people to sign up to his services.

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IMHO the service on offer is way below the results I have personally achieved via advice from this site and my own research

 

The part about not guaranteeing credit file clean up is particularly hard to take, this would be something I would insist on in any case I took to the lender

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well here are a few secrets

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/mbna/61752-old-mbna-application-form.html#post1341000

 

note for those that read "on the surface" this thread starts in 2007 not 2008

 

 

SADLY the person(s) who posted under the name CREDITCARDKILLER ( commencing in January 2007 & ending in Jan 2007 until the recent revival-- three original posts? ) have decided to have all the posts he/she/they have posted under that individual "nom de plume" deleted from this forum.

 

so the link above to when they asked for copies of old MBNA application forms (was it pre 99 or pre 2003) and referred to direct marketing of these application forms is no longer there

 

remember MBNA took over THE SERVICING OF abbey halifax alliance & leicester (any more) around 2003 ?

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CreditCardKiller is still watching this thread though.

 

Maybe we should all take the fact that threats of litigation get people nowhere, especially as after a little bit of delving most 'services' such as this may not have the legal footing (i.e. regulatory clearance) they may well require.

 

The fact still remains that the registration of the CCK trademark predates all posts on this site by nearly 3 years and that litigation hadn't concluded until this year. Things like that do lead me to believe that the business plan was present long before any legal ruling and that the 'holy grail' of court rulings came by way of an accident. I can't remember how many charging orders it was, was it 2 or 3? We're there other DCA's involved?

 

At the end of the day, if you come out of hiding (and with the help of information gleaned from this and other sites) stating you have found the elixir of life and that you are intending to charge for this, is anyone surprised at the response you get? I wouldn't be.

 

I thought you couldn't be an IFA if you had a CCJ?

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I see my post containing threads to all this capital letters and strawman account have been removed.

 

Should anyone require the links. please PM me .

Not sure why they were taken down, they were only informative links explaining the difference between the strawman account ( in Caps) and the human being account ( in lower case)

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I see my post containing threads to all this capital letters and strawman account have been removed.

 

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Not sure why they were taken down, they were only informative links explaining the difference between the strawman account ( in Caps) and the human being account ( in lower case)

 

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I thought I would post my reply from OFT regarding a complaint I made about some advise a member of staff made.

 

I am going to reply to OFT as I am not happy with the responce but one thing has intrested me on page 2.

 

It says " This prevents enforcement with or without a court order".

 

Does this mean a creditor has a CCJ on you and they have no agreement can they still enforce it??

 

Also any views on the comments regarding the copy docs 1983

 

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First they say it needs to be a 'true copy' then they say it can be a 'generic' copy. So if the creditor doesn't have a true copy how does he know what was really on it?

 

Secondly, they say the debt cannot be enforced 'with or without a court order' then they say it's up to the court to decide.

 

Why don't they make their minds up ...

 

As for enforcement after a CCJ, i've always been told on here that it has already been enforced and the time for a CCA etc. was at the defence stage. Someone may correct me on this as in many cases new info comes to light later which affects a claim.

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My understanding of what they have said is that to comply with your CCA request they can send you what is described, however on page two it clearly states that they must have a signed copy to show the court. Which backs up what we are all thinking.

 

However, I also understand that they cannot suddenly produce the signed document in court if they have not already supplied you with a copy - as what they send in response to your request should be that copy. Or is that only if you ask for information under the CPR?

 

If I am not making any sense please ignore me - it has been a long week;)

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Going back to Tifo comment.

 

I always though if you had a CCJ there was nothing you can do.

OFT comments on page 2 say with or without a court order so whats going on!!!

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Going back to Tifo comment.

 

I always though if you had a CCJ there was nothing you can do.

OFT comments on page 2 say with or without a court order so whats going on!!!

 

The agreement remains ancillary to the CCJ. However, if there's contractual entitlement to claim further interest after judgment, then this cannot be enforced if the CCA request remains in default. Imo.

 

This is why a CCA request should be made after Judgment. There will be many people who have interesting accruing after judgment but don't know.

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It is pretty simple really, they mean that if you had requested a copy of the agreement under sections 77-79 and they hadn't complied, the courts would not be able to enforce the agreement. However, in issuing a CCJ the agreement is therefore enforced and as such the agreement is irrelevant as the CCJ is the overriding document.

 

Getting a CCJ overturned because you didn't ask for a copy of the agreement, or query it, is perversed. You'll have to ask for a copy, see if it is enforceable and then maybe, with a fair wind behind you and a helpful judge, they won't throw it out immediately and you may be able to get the courts to look at it.

 

Be aware that a CCJ kind of makes all of the smoke signals and mirrors available within the CCA fairly redundant.

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The agreement remains ancillary to the CCJ. However, if there's contractual entitlement to claim further interest after judgment, then this cannot be enforced if the CCA request remains in default. Imo.

 

Interesting point, but if the court takes the view that in issuing a CCJ that takes the post judgement interest entitlement within the ruling, do you think that would be stopped to?

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Interesting point, but if the court takes the view that in issuing a CCJ that takes the post judgement interest entitlement within the ruling, do you think that would be stopped to?

 

The court has no power to award interest post judgment on a regulated agreement. the interest is contractual and remains so, it is completely separate from the judgment. This would mean a CCA request is valid under the contract.

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Interesting point, but if the court takes the view that in issuing a CCJ that takes the post judgement interest entitlement within the ruling, do you think that would be stopped to?

 

They can only apply post Judgment interest where there's a term in the (non-existant!) agreement allowing them to do so.

 

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The court has no power to award interest post judgment on a regulated agreement. the interest is contractual and remains so, it is completely separate from the judgment. This would mean a CCA request is valid under the contract.

 

Yeah - that's what I said, but you beat me to it. :p

 

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