Bbs alloys are not homologated for vw t5 transporter

[eugene123]

i am new to this site , but i need advise on this issue ,

 

i did buy cxr bbs 19 inch 8.5j e32 alloys wheels off perforance alloys for my t5 transporter ,

in which they have them advertised on their website FOR T5 TRANSPORTER ,

 

i did see them on there web site , then i did telephone performance alloys to find out more about them, with the advise of the sales guy ,

 

he told me they were perfect for this vehicle , all vw t5 transportesr and he also said he would not have them on their web site if they were not good for this car ,

 

i then did buy the alloys

paid £100 off my card and the rest to be paid later ,

he told me they have to come from england , as i live in the north of ireland

i waited for them ,

 

when they did come i went and got them from performance alloys and paid the rest of my money , £1300

 

i then went and got tyres on them which were legal for these alloys 102y xl handkook,

 

when i put them on my transporter i found there was a little vibrations ,

this vw t5 is a new one , i felt i could not put up with this after two weeks ,

 

i did ring perforamce alloys to tell them about this ,

they said it was the tyres ,

really had to drop that about the vibations ,

but i could not put up with this

so i went and got other new alloys 18 vw sportline onse and tyres , which are great,

 

i then did ask perforance alloys could they tell me what other vehicle would they fit if any ,

they told me bmw ect,

 

when i was cleaning at wheels not sure what to do with them at this stage ,

i found on inside of the alloys there were some little spots which it would have come this way from the factory ,

 

i did ring perforance alloys about this they said it was quite common on alloys , ,

i was not happy about this so i got on to bbs germany

they said i should have checked the wheels before mounted the tyres , ,,

 

they also said the CXR BBS ALLOYS 19 INCH 8.5J ARE NOT HOMOLOGATED FOR T5 TRANSPORTER

PLUS THEY SAID THE LOAD INDEX IS NOT SUFFICIENT AND CANOT BE CONFIRMED BY BBS GERMANY ,

 

the sales guy of performance alloys told me on the phone they were for all vw t5 transporters as advertise on their web site , ,,

 

hope you can adivise me thanks,

these alloy i did buy on 08/08/2011 from performance alloys

Edited October 23, 2011 by eugene123

[maroondevo52]

Hello and Welcome,

 

I've moved this thread to a more appropriate Forum.

 

Regards.

 

Scott.

[HAWC]

Please add some paragraphs to your op and did you get any screengrabs

[eugene123]

hello hawc please forgive me , but i realy dont know what you mean when you say paragraphs to the op , or screengrabs , i really sorry about this , but please could you help me, i really would not be that good on computer , thank you hawc

[crem]

i am new to this site , but i need adivise on this isse ,

 

i did buy cxr bbs 19 inch 8.5j e32 alloys wheels of perforance alloys for my t5 transporter , in which they have them advertise on there web site FOR T5 TRANSPORTER , i did see them on there web site , then i did tel phone performance aloys to find out more about them, with the advise of the sales guy , he told me they were perfect for this vehicle , all vw t5 transporter and he also said he would not have them on there web site if they were not good for this car , i then did buy the alloys paid £100 of my card and the rest to be paid later ,

 

he told me they have to come from england , as i live in the north of ireland i waited for them , when they did come i wend and got them at performance alloys and paid the rest of my money , £1300 i them went and got tyres on them which were legal for these alloys 102y xl handkook, when i put on transporter i found there was a little vibrations , this vw t5 is a new one , i felt i could not put up with this after two weeks , so i did ring perforamce aloys to tell them about this , so they said it was the tyres , so i really had to drop that about the vibations , but i could not put up with this so i wend and got other new alloys 18 vw sportline one and tyres , which are great,

 

i then did ask perforance alloys could they tell me what other vehicle would they fit if any , they told me bmw ect, when i was cleaning at wheels not sure what to do with them at this stage , i found on inside of the alloys there were some little spots which it would have come this way from the factory , i did ring perforance alloys about this they said it was quite common on alloys , ,

 

i was not happy about this so i got on to bbs germany they said i should have check the wheel before mounted the tyres , ,, they also said the CXR BBS ALLOYS 19 INCH 8.5J ARE NOT HOMOLOGATED FOR T5 TRANSPORTER PLUS THEY SAID THE LOAD INDEX IS NOT SUFFICIENT AND CANOT BE CONFIRMED BY BBS GERMANY , the sales guy of performance alloys told me on the phone they were for all vw t5 transporters as advertise on there web site , ,, hope you can adivise me thanks, these alloy i did buy on 08/08/2011 from performance alloys

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eugene, hawc is suggesting you should do some screen prints of the detail from the sellers website showing that they claim the alloys fit a T5.

 

Having such detail on paper may be important later if they try to cliam they never told you these things.

[eugene123]

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eugene, hawc is suggesting you should do some screen prints of the detail from the sellers website showing that they claim the alloys fit a T5.

 

Having such detail on paper may be important later if they try to cliam they never told you these things.

thank you crem for that i reall y dont know how to do that but i will try to get someone tomorrow to do it for me do you think when they are not homologated for vw t5 that they would be allowed to sell to me crem . again thanks crem

[eugene123]

hello i am now sending some photos plus screengrabs ect hope this helps plus i will add my last email i sent to them , on the 24/10/2011 i sorry about been so slow on this as i am only learning how to add these details ect to the forum , thank you

Edited October 25, 2011 by eugene123

[eugene123]

 

this is a email i got from bbs germany, plus this is a email i send to tony at perforance alloys ,,

 

i hope YOU can open IT ok if not please let me know ,

 

this tony guy at performane alloys told me ON THE PHONE that i do not need a TUV CERT certificate ,

FOR THESE ALLOYS IN GB OR IRELAND THAT IT IS ONLY NEEDED IN GERMANY IF I WAS DRIVEING THERE ,

HE ALSO SAID IF I HAD OF SAID THAT AT TIME OF BUYING EVEN I WAS GOING ON HOLIDAYS TO GERMANY HE WOULD NOT HAVE SOLD ME THE ALLOYS ,,

NOT SURE WHERE I STAND ABOUT WHAT HE SAID ,

 

REALLY THE END PRODUCT IS THE ALLOY WHEELS ARE NOT TUV FOR T5 TRANSPORTER AND I WAS SOLD THE WHEELS BY PERFORMANCE ALLOYS FOR A T5 TRANSPORTER ,

 

THE OTHER THINGS I DID COMPLAIN ABOUT I CAN SET THEM A SIDE ,

THE LIKES OF SPOTS ON THE INSIDE OF ALLOYS AND VIBRATIONS ,,

I WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE TUV CERT ONLY I DID COMPLAIN TO BBS GERMANY ABOUT THE SPOTS

IN WHICH I DID NOT SEE WHEN I PUT THEM ON MY T5 TRANSPORTER I ONLY SEEN WHEN I TOOK THEM OFF AFTER 3 WEEK OF DRIVEING ON THEM

WHEN I COULD NOT STAND THE LITTLE VIBRATIONS ON MY NEW T5 VW 180 BHP LWB CAMPER

WHICH COST ME £47,000

 

I NOTICE SPOTS WHEN I WAS CLEANING AT THEM ,

I NOW HAVE NEW ALLOYS FITTED WHICH I GOT FROM VW , ,

 

BBS TOLD ME THAT THE ALLOYS I GOT ARE NOT HOMOLOAGED FOR T5 TRANSPORTER WHEN I DID COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SPOTS hawc ,,,

 

thanks a lot EUGENE MY MAIN COMPLAIN IS BBS GEMARNY HAVE NOT APPROVED A TUV CERT FOR BBS CXR 19 INCH ALLOYS 8.5J FOR FITMENT

TO T5 TRANSPORTER IN WHICH PERFERMANCE ALLOY SOLD ME ,

Edited October 25, 2011 by eugene123

[patdavies]

TUV approval is only required if you intend to re-register the car in Germany.

 

Otherwise, with a UK registration, you do not need TUV approved accessories to visit.

 

Homologation is irrelevant - this is a system by which something qualifies for racing (ie by selling x number to the general public)

 

You have no argument with BBS - they are not required to provide either TUV or homologation for a K sale. Under SOGA, your argument is with the retailer as not fit for purpose (and BBS's comments are evidence in your favour in this)

[eugene123]

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tuv approval is only required if you intend to re-register the car in germany.

 

Otherwise, with a uk registration, you do not need tuv approved accessories to visit.

 

Homologation is irrelevant - this is a system by which something qualifies for racing (ie by selling x number to the general public)

 

you have no argument with bbs - they are not required to provide either tuv or homologation for a k sale. Under soga, your argument is with the retailer as not fit for purpose (and bbs's comments are evidence in your favour in this)

thank you pat for getting back to me , i did send performance a email about this tuv issue , but i still think i was wrongly advise about these alloys they told me they are a perfect fit plus loadind rate for my camper t5 transporter , because its a camper they say it ok i told them at the time all the details of t5 camper on phone , note , only on the phone , that is why i went on there advice so i paid my deposit of £100 , rest to be paid later i will put on my email i sent to performance on 25/10/2011 again thank for getting back to me , hope you can open my attachments ok , eugene

Edited October 26, 2011 by eugene123

[heliosuk]

TUV approval is only required if you intend to re-register the car in Germany.

 

Homologation is irrelevant - this is a system by which something qualifies for racing (ie by selling x number to the general public)

 

Sorry, this is far removed from what it actually is. I think there might be confusion with what actually is required and that is type approval. Certain aftermarket accessories such as wheels and things like towbars now can only be sold with Type approval which is not the same as homologation.

[eugene123]

so in other words would you say i do not need this tuv in the uk because i have a uk car if that is the case i am happy about this , but still i think the alloys wheels are not fit for this type of car t5 transporter even bbs germany does say that on there email ,, i really would love to get it claered up one way or the other

[eugene123]

i am, still ooking for help on this issue , thank you eugene

[heliosuk]

OK Eugene here it is. Your wheels are suitable for your T5. All wheels sold in Europe have to have type approval. All wheels made in EU and imported into EU have to meet type approval. Homologation is nothing to do with it.

 

With type approval it meets design and quality standards for use in the EU. The EU type approval rules are probably the most stringent in the world and many other countries base their regulations on this.

 

You have no redress on BBS whatsoever.

 

Your supplier though might also have nothing to worry about. The process of manufacturing alloy wheels is complex and there will be defects in the surface on all of the wheels. However these defects have an agreed standard so are unlikely to get into the retailchain. Your problem is with the tyres fitted and needs a more in depth analysis as to where the issue lies.

 

From experience, 99 times out of 100, vibration problems with wheel and tyres are due to tyres. The process in manufacturing tyres is fraught with difficulties.

 

I would recommend you go back to the tyre supplier and ask for a re-balance. Check also the DoT code as this should not be more than 55 weeks old.

 

Can you give me the tyre size and wheel size against the original supplied please.

 

It might be that you are over stepping engineering design constraints with what you are trying to run.

 

I don't think at the moment you have any redress against anyone. No one has done anything wrong.

Edited October 28, 2011 by heliosuk
Regress changed to redress!!!

[eugene123]

OK Eugene here it is. Your wheels are suitable for your T5. All wheels sold in Europe have to have type approval. All wheels made in EU and imported into EU have to meet type approval. Homologation is nothing to do with it.

 

With type approval it meets design and quality standards for use in the EU. The EU type approval rules are probably the most stringent in the world and many other countries base their regulations on this.

 

You have no redress on BBS whatsoever.

 

Your supplier though might also have nothing to worry about. The process of manufacturing alloy wheels is complex and there will be defects in the surface on all of the wheels. However these defects have an agreed standard so are unlikely to get into the retailchain. Your problem is with the tyres fitted and needs a more in depth analysis as to where the issue lies.

 

From experience, 99 times out of 100, vibration problems with wheel and tyres are due to tyres. The process in manufacturing tyres is fraught with difficulties.

 

I would recommend you go back to the tyre supplier and ask for a re-balance. Check also the DoT code as this should not be more than 55 weeks old.

 

Can you give me the tyre size and wheel size against the original supplied please.

 

It might be that you are over stepping engineering design constraints with what you are trying to run.

 

I don't think at the moment you have any redress against anyone. No one has done anything wrong.

 

thank you for getting back to me on this issue , sure i can tell you the wheels that came with new t5 camper were 235/55/17 , and the tyres i got for the cxr bbs 19 inch 8,5j were 245/45/19 hankook evo 102y , did drive on them for a week but i could not get used to small vibrations , so i went back to get them balance again did try the wheel again but still no good , so them i went and i got new prelli tyres the same size did try them for a week still no good little vibrations , , i did ring perforamce alloys they said he would try and find type of air suspension , but no way was i going down that way for a 45,000 t5 vw camper 180 bhp lwb , so i wend and got 18 inch alloy new ones plus tyres so all it great now with them , i now do understand that a tuv cert is not needed in gb or ireland and also homlologation has nothing to do with it , but may i ask are you allowed to drive a t5 transporter lwb 180 bhp camper on bbs cxr 19inch 8.5j alloys if they are not approved by bbs germany to do so , or do they need to be approved by bbs alloys to drive on , , thank you for getting back to me on this issue eugene

[heliosuk]

thank you for getting back to me on this issue , sure i can tell you the wheels that came with new t5 camper were 235/55/17 , and the tyres i got for the cxr bbs 19 inch 8,5j were 245/45/19 hankook evo 102y , did drive on them for a week but i could not get used to small vibrations , so i went back to get them balance again did try the wheel again but still no good , so them i went and i got new prelli tyres the same size did try them for a week still no good little vibrations , , i did ring perforamce alloys they said he would try and find type of air suspension , but no way was i going down that way for a 45,000 t5 vw camper 180 bhp lwb , so i wend and got 18 inch alloy new ones plus tyres so all it great now with them , i now do understand that a tuv cert is not needed in gb or ireland and also homlologation has nothing to do with it , but may i ask are you allowed to drive a t5 transporter lwb 180 bhp camper on bbs cxr 19inch 8.5j alloys if they are not approved by bbs germany to do so , or do they need to be approved by bbs alloys to drive on , , thank you for getting back to me on this issue eugene

 

The short answer is yes, you can drive on them legally. The problem you have is that by deviating from manufactuers specifications you unwittingly instill other issues into the car which would not have been taken into the original design and verification process. Hopefully you will sort the problem out but here's a piece of advice to take on board for future reference..........don't go crying about premature failure of suspension parts, wheel bearings and steering components when running on wheel and tyre sizes not aproved by the cars manufactuer. You are also obliged to inform your insurance company about the modification you have made which I'm sure you will have done.

 

Let me know if there is anything else you would like to know.

[eugene123]

The short answer is yes, you can drive on them legally. The problem you have is that by deviating from manufactuers specifications you unwittingly instill other issues into the car which would not have been taken into the original design and verification process. Hopefully you will sort the problem out but here's a piece of advice to take on board for future reference..........don't go crying about premature failure of suspension parts, wheel bearings and steering components when running on wheel and tyre sizes not aproved by the cars manufactuer. You are also obliged to inform your insurance company about the modification you have made which I'm sure you will have done.

 

Let me know if there is anything else you would like to know.

thank you very much for getting back to me , so to clear this up about your answer is YES I AM ALLOWED TO DRIVE ON THEM LEGALLY EVEN BBS GERMANY DID NOT APPROVED THEM FOR A T5 TRANSPORTER ,, , now i really do not know what to do ,, i must tell you what bbs has CONFIRM TO me in email that is bbs have never approved cxr alloys to be suitable for a t5 transporter PLUS they also say my t5 transporter 180 bhp lwb camper is to heavy for this wheel that the wheel is not made for such a weight , plus they never done anything in order to get a official allowance for this wheel type to run on a t5 transporter in gb or ireland or any other country ,, also my insurance agency say s if the correct wheel are not fitted they would be compelled to pay all t party damages ,, but they would then have to make recovered from the person who supplied me with the incorrect wheels ,, SO IF YOU ANSWER IS STILL YES THAT I CAN DRIVE ON THEM LEGALLY WITH OUT THEM BEEN APPROVED BY BBS FOR TRANSPORTER 180 BHP LWB CAMPER , DO YOU REALLY THINK I SHOULD GO AGAINST BBS GERMANY IN WHAT THEY SAY PLUS MY INSURANCE AGENCY IN WHAT THEY SAY ALSO , PLUS I WOULD BE FULLY AWARE OF MY T5 WOULD NOT BE COVERED UNDER THE GAURANTEE IF I HAD 19 INCH ALLOYS ON , PARTS ECT. PLUS I HAD MY INSURANCE AGNECY TOLD ABOUT THE 19 INCH ALLOYS , I HAD ON ,, NOW I HAVE 18 ALLOYS ON WHICH ARE GREAT , I FEEL I WAS MISSLEAD BY PERFORMANCE ALLOYS WEB SITE FOR THESE ALLOYS , FOR A T5 TRANSPORTER , WHEN THEY ARE NOT AS BBS HAS CONFIRM , PLUS WRONGLY ADIVISE BY SALES PERSON ABOUT THE ALLOYS WAS TOLD THEY WERE PERFECT FOR T5 TRANSPORTER 180 BHP LWB CAMPER AND WERE APPROVED BY BBS IN WHICH I WENT ON HIS ADIVISE AT THE TIME WHEN I DID RING HIM , THEN I PAID MY DEPOSIT OF £100 OVER THE PHONE BY CREDIT CARD , PLUS I ALSO THINK THE CXR BBS ALLOYS ARE NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE , GOING BY BBS WHAT THEY SAY IN THERE EMAIL , I HOPE HELIOSUK YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL I SAY IN THIS LETTER , IF YOU COULD GIVE ME A REPLY BACK TO ME IT WOULD BE GREAT ,,,,, AGAIN I MUST THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TRYING TO SORT THIS OUT FOR ME EUGENE ,, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THESE ALLOYS COST ME £1400 , AT THE TIME NOW I AM LEFT WITH THEM AT NOT MY FAULT I DID BUY THE ALOYS IN GOOD FAITH ,, NOTE ,, I ALSO HAVE MADE PERFERMACE ALLOYS AWARE THAT I AM STILL WILING TO TAKE A SET OF BBS ALOYS 19 INCH THAT IS APPROVED BY BBS FOR A T5 TRANSPORTER 180 BHP LWB CAMPER WITH THE CORRECT LOADING RATE , I REALLY DO NOT WANT A REFUND IF THEY COULD DO THIS ,, MY MAIN AIM IS TO BE AS SAFE ON THE ROAD ,S WITH THE RIGHT WHEELS , AND THE PROPER INSURANCE Edited October 29, 2011 by eugene123

[heliosuk]

Hello again Eugene,

 

I fully understand what you are saying so hopefully you will gaher and take on board what I am saying. I would add that I am very experienced in the engineering matters of this but the SOGA realities are different.

 

A car/van/commercial vehicle is designed and tested at the manufactuers with a range of wheel and tyre sizes. These then become approved for use.

 

Alloy wheel manufactuers will make many alloy wheels in different designs and fitments. They are allowed to do so.

 

Any alloy wheel made and sold in the UK has to meet with type approval which means it meets designated quality and production standards. Your alloys do and will be marked as such.

 

An alloy wheel manufactuer can produce hundreds of different designs but they must meet european type approval. The problem comes when someone likes the look of a wheel. Such as in your case. You buy the wheel. This is not the producers responsibility or the sellar. It is up to you decide which wheels you put on and that they are fit for purpose. In this case they could quite probably fit something else with no issues.

 

I'm sorry, but you have nowhere to go with this TUV and fit for purpose lark . It seems you are deviating from manufacuers recommendations.

 

The CXR wheels might be fine on some other car not yours it seems.

 

I cannot see where you are going with this, you asked for and bought a particular size of wheel. This was delivered and you had tyres fitted. There's a problem so why is it VW or BBS fault.

 

I just don't get where you are coming from. It's not BBS fault, not VW fault where are you going with this?

 

Defeats me.

[eugene123]

Hello again Eugene,

 

I fully understand what you are saying so hopefully you will gaher and take on board what I am saying. I would add that I am very experienced in the engineering matters of this but the SOGA realities are different.

 

A car/van/commercial vehicle is designed and tested at the manufactuers with a range of wheel and tyre sizes. These then become approved for use.

 

Alloy wheel manufactuers will make many alloy wheels in different designs and fitments. They are allowed to do so.

 

Any alloy wheel made and sold in the UK has to meet with type approval which means it meets designated quality and production standards. Your alloys do and will be marked as such.

 

An alloy wheel manufactuer can produce hundreds of different designs but they must meet european type approval. The problem comes when someone likes the look of a wheel. Such as in your case. You buy the wheel. This is not the producers responsibility or the sellar. It is up to you decide which wheels you put on and that they are fit for purpose. In this case they could quite probably fit something else with no issues.

 

I'm sorry, but you have nowhere to go with this TUV and fit for purpose lark . It seems you are deviating from manufacuers recommendations.

 

The CXR wheels might be fine on some other car not yours it seems.

 

I cannot see where you are going with this, you asked for and bought a particular size of wheel. This was delivered and you had tyres fitted. There's a problem so why is it VW or BBS fault.

 

I just don't get where you are coming from. It's not BBS fault, not VW fault where are you going with this?

 

Defeats me.

hello again ,, i am not having a go a bbs or vw on this issue bye the way bbs is on my side if i had went to them direct to buy alloys they would have adivse me better in fact they would not have sold there cxr alloys for a t5 transporter 180 bhp lwb because they are not approved for it , i not having a go at vw in fact i think to much of them in which i always driven a vw , i am sure you are quite experienced in engineering matters or other , and i am not having a go at you either , yes i did like the look of the wheel on the perforamce web site in which it says it was for a t5 transporter , i then did ring perforamce alloys and was told it would fit perfect and was approved by bbs that is why they have it on there web site for sale i went on the adivise of the sales man at perforamce alloys and did buy the alloy over the phone , PAID MY £100 DEPOISTED , now i get all this feedback from bbs alloys GERMANY ABOUT the alloys not approved for t5 vW 180 bhp lwb ,, so i am sure that MEANS THE ALLOYS ARE NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE GOING BY BBS , CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG , YES I DID BUY THE WHEELS FOR MY T5 TRANSPORTER IN WHICH PERFORANCE ALLOYS ADIVISED ME THEY WERE CORRECT , AND THEY ARE NOT , IS THAT GOOD SALES , CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG , WRONGLY ADIVSED , I FEEL PERFERMANCE ALLOY SHOULD NOT HAD THEM ALLOY FOR SALE ON THERE WED SITE FOR T5 TRANSPORTER BECAUSE BBS DOES NOT APPROVED THEM FOR A VW TRANSPORTER , PLUS THE SALES GUY SHOULD NOT HAVE SOLD ME THE ALLOYS HIM KNOWING THAT THEY WERE NOT APPROVED , AND NOW IT END UP THEY ARE NOT FIT TO BE DRIVEN ON A T5 TRANSPORTER GOING BY BBS GERMANY ,, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO GO ON BBS GERMANY ADIVISED ,,,,, SHOULD SOME ONE LIKE PERFERMANCE ALLOY SELL THESE ALLOYS FOR A T5 TRANSPORTER 180 BHP LWB CAMPER , , I GUESS NOT , I IF THEY SAID I STILL WANTED THEM WITH THERE ADIVSED NOT TO BUY FOR T5 TRANSPORTER THEY SHOULD PUT THAT ON MY INVOICE STATING ,,,, I DID BUY THEM ON THE STRENTH OF THERE WEB SITE AND SALES GUY ,,, NOW NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE , GOING BY BBS WHAT THEY SAY ,,, AGAIN CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG , THANK YOU EUGENE

[heliosuk]

Sorry Eugene I think you are wrong. BBS sell alloy wheels, they cannot know what they are going to fitted to. They make alloy wheels that comply with regulations such as type approval. This type approval means that hey are fit for purpose on a variety of cars.

 

If the wheels are outside of the type approval limits then they should not be sold for that fitment.

 

Where the sellar is concerned he sold them in good faith.

 

You need to be able to prove that they are unfit for puprose. You have a very weak case as invariably the problems you are seeing are down to the tyres. It is a complex mixture you have, you are working outside the bounds of engineering sign off. The wheels are legal, the wheel and tyre combination are also probably legal, the problem is that they do not match.

 

Which bit of you do not have a leg to stand on is not sinking in??

 

To repeat. You chose the wheels, you chose tyres. it turns out that they are not compatible. No body can be held responsible for the choice you made and you are quite probably working outside of the limits . It seems that there has been no effort to determine if the wheels are sound let alone the tyres.

 

There are many accesories available for cars, many unapproved, tow bars spring to mind and then we hear about problems.

 

In your case you have bought a set of wheels, had someone different to put a set of tyres on, now you have an issue. So you tell me who is responsible for your problem. BBS, the tyre manufactuer, the car manufactuer. Each one of these has complied.

 

Down to you I'm afraid.

[eugene123]

Sorry Eugene I think you are wrong. BBS sell alloy wheels, they cannot know what they are going to fitted to. They make alloy wheels that comply with regulations such as type approval. This type approval means that hey are fit for purpose on a variety of cars.

 

If the wheels are outside of the type approval limits then they should not be sold for that fitment.

 

Where the sellar is concerned he sold them in good faith.

 

You need to be able to prove that they are unfit for puprose. You have a very weak case as invariably the problems you are seeing are down to the tyres. It is a complex mixture you have, you are working outside the bounds of engineering sign off. The wheels are legal, the wheel and tyre combination are also probably legal, the problem is that they do not match.

 

Which bit of you do not have a leg to stand on is not sinking in??

 

To repeat. You chose the wheels, you chose tyres. it turns out that they are not compatible. No body can be held responsible for the choice you made and you are quite probably working outside of the limits . It seems that there has been no effort to determine if the wheels are sound let alone the tyres.

 

There are many accesories available for cars, many unapproved, tow bars spring to mind and then we hear about problems.

 

In your case you have bought a set of wheels, had someone different to put a set of tyres on, now you have an issue. So you tell me who is responsible for your problem. BBS, the tyre manufactuer, the car manufactuer. Each one of these has complied.

 

Down to you I'm afraid.

again thanks

for getting back to me, how come i am wrong when i told you that bbs germany has told me that the alloys are not approvered for t30 t5 transporter 180 bhp lwb camper and i can prove that i already have told you this in my tread , IS THIS A WEAK CASE WHEN IT HAS BEEN CONFIRM BY BBS, please read back , and i also did buy them in good faith with the advice of the web site , and sales guy, , now oweing to what bbs have told me i was meadlead on the web site , perfermance aloys wrongly adivse me by sales man on phone , you keep coming back about the tyres , tuv ECT , i am fully aware now of all of this , my only concern is the alloys are not fit for purpose that is for a t30 t5 transporter 180 bhp lwb 2011 model ,,,,, in other words they are not approved or approval for a t30 t5 transporter , the short of it is i was sold the wrong wheels , these wheels are great for cars unsuitable for vans and especially the one i have 180bhp lwb bilbos camper in which i said at time of buying that there would be some tools ect carried in it also from time to time , again sales person said the alloys are suitable for all weights in t5,s that is as clear as i can get it , and i can prove this from bbs germany , also i must say i love the alloys and i can probaly could put up with the vibrations with the proper tyre as fitted , and also the spots, plus i do not have a issue now with the tuv or homoloated issue now , but i am sure i should not be driving on these alloys if they are not approved , queastion 1 who does approved the alloy cxr for a t30 t5 transporter 180 bhp lwb to make it legal for me to drive on ,, plus for the insurance that is al i would like to know to clear this up please get back to me thank eugene

Edited October 30, 2011 by eugene123

[eugene123]

again thanks

for getting back to me, how come i am wrong when i told you that bbs germany has told me that the alloys are not approvered for t30 t5 transporter 180 bhp lwb camper and i can prove that i already have told you this in my tread , IS THIS A WEAK CASE WHEN IT HAS BEEN CONFIRM BY BBS, please read back , and i also did buy them in good faith with the advice of the web site , and sales guy, , now oweing to what bbs have told me i was meadlead on the web site , perfermance aloys wrongly adivse me by sales man on phone , you keep coming back about the tyres , tuv ECT , i am fully aware now of all of this , my only concern is the alloys are not fit for purpose that is for a t30 t5 transporter 180 bhp lwb 2011 model ,,,,, in other words they are not approved or approval for a t30 t5 transporter , the short of it is i was sold the wrong wheels , these wheels are great for cars unsuitable for vans and especially the one i have 180bhp lwb bilbos camper in which i said at time of buying that there would be some tools ect carried in it also from time to time , again sales person said the alloys are suitable for all weights in t5,s that is as clear as i can get it , and i can prove this from bbs germany , also i must say i love the alloys and i can probaly could put up with the vibrations with the proper tyre as fitted , and also the spots, plus i do not have a issue now with the tuv or homoloated issue now , but i am sure i should not be driving on these alloys if they are not approved , queastion 1 who does approved the alloy cxr for a t30 t5 transporter 180 bhp lwb to make it legal for me to drive on ,, plus for the insurance that is al i would like to know to clear this up please get back to me thank eugene

hope this is enough to say they are not fit for purpose for a t5 t30 transporter vw lwb 180 bhp camper ,,,, i guess i would not feel safe driveing around on these alloys when bbs come up withis or would any one else i guess not :

[heliosuk]

If it could be read it might help.

[eugene123]

If it could be read it might help.

thank for getting back to me heliossuk , first of all i must tell you i am no computer expert , but i still know enough to get me through , my school days was not good , ect , but still i know what i am doing, ect ,, quote .. what is says on the img is the question i did ask bbs is could they pease tell me if bbs cxr 8.5j have to be approved for to drive on a t5 t30 vw transporter camper in gb or ireland , the answer i got back was that they were not sure exactly what i wanted to know , but THEY DID SAY BBS HAVE NEVER APPROVED CXR TO BE SUITABLE FOR T5 TRANSPORTER , HOPE THIS HELP ALSO IF YOU COULD ANSER MY LAST QUEASTION ON MY LAST TREAD THAT WOULD BE GREAT THANKS A LOT EUGENE

[eugene123]

thank for getting back to me heliossuk , first of all i must tell you i am no computer expert , but i still know enough to get me through , my school days was not good , ect , but still i know what i am doing, ect ,, quote .. what is says on the img is the question i did ask bbs is could they pease tell me if bbs cxr 8.5j have to be approved for to drive on a t5 t30 vw transporter camper in gb or ireland , the answer i got back was that they were not sure exactly what i wanted to know , but THEY DID SAY BBS HAVE NEVER APPROVED CXR TO BE SUITABLE FOR T5 TRANSPORTER , HOPE THIS HELP ALSO IF YOU COULD ANSER MY LAST QUEASTION ON MY LAST TREAD THAT WOULD BE GREAT THANKS A LOT EUGENE