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    • Hi there, Here is the sticky filled out as best as possible:  Which Court have you received the claim from? MCOL (County Court Business Centre, Northampton) Name of the Claimant: Uk Parking Control Limited Claimants Solicitors: DCB Legal Date of issue: March 2023 Following events: — DQ sent to me July 2023 — I filed a DQ in September 2023 — My claim was transferred to [my local court] September 2023 — Received Notice of Allocation to Small Claims Track (Hearing) including date for hearing in April 2024 — Witness statement due by May 14 — Claimant must pay court fees by May 17 — Court hearing on June 18   What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? Please type out their particulars of claim (verbatim) less any identifiable data and round the amounts up/down. 1. The defendant is indebted to the claimant for a Parking Charge issued at [x] issued to vehicle [__] at Walcot Yard, Walcot Road, Bath, Ba1 5bg. 2. The PCN details are [___]. 3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C. The vehicle was parked in breach of the Terms on Cs signs (the Contract), this incurring the PCNs. 4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the driver or keeper. Despite requests, the PCN is outstanding. The Contract entitles C to damages.  AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS 1. £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages. 2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of [x]p until judgement or sooner payment. 3. Costs and court fees   What is the value of the claim? ~260 Amount Claimed ~170 court fees ~35 legal rep fees ~50 Total Amount  ~260   Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN? No   Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform? No Here is the defence I filed:  DEFENCE 1. The parking charges referred to in this claim did not arise from any agreement of terms. The charge and the claim was an unexpected shock. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all. It is denied that any conduct by the driver was a breach of any prominent term and it is denied that this Claimant (understood to have a bare licence as managers) has standing to sue or form contracts in their own name. Liability is denied, whether or not the Claimant is claiming 'keeper liability', which is unclear from the Particulars. The facts as known to the Defendant: 2. It is admitted that on the material date the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle in question, but liability is denied. 3. While working at a nearby premises, [___] the Defendant was informed by the manager that they had an informal verbal agreement with the developer and owner operator of [___], which supposedly allowed them to park there. Based on this information, the Defendant parked their car there in good faith. The Defendant was not aware of any restrictions or limitations to this agreement, and therefore believed that they had the right to park there without penalty. 4. The Defendant avers that the Claimant failed to serve a Notice to Keeper compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Consequently, the claimant cannot transfer liability for this charge to the Defendant as keeper of the vehicle. 5. The Particulars of Claim ('POC') appear to be in breach of CPR 16.4, 16PD3 and 16PD7, and fail to "state all facts necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of action”. 6. The Defendant is unable, on the basis of the POC, to understand with certainty what case is being pursued. 7. The POC are entirely inadequate, in that they fail to particularise (a) the contractual term(s) relied upon; (b) the specifics of any alleged breach of contract; and (c) how the purported and unspecified 'damages' arose and the breakdown of the exaggerated quantum. 8. The claim has been issued via Money Claims Online and, as a result, is subject to a character limit for the Particulars of Claim section of the Claim Form. The fact that generic wording appears to have been applied has obstructed any semblance of clarity. The Defendant trusts that the court will agree that a claim pleaded in such generic terms lacks the required details and requires proper particularisation in a detailed document within 14 days, per 16PD.3 9. The guidance for completing Money Claims Online confirms this and clearly states: "If you do not have enough space to explain your claim online and you need to serve extra, more detailed particulars on the defendant, tick the box that appears after the statement 'you may also send detailed particulars direct to the defendant.'" 10. No further particulars have been filed and to the Defendant's knowledge, no application asking the court service for more time to serve and/or relief from sanctions has been filed either. 11. In view of it having been entirely within the Claimant's Solicitors' gift to properly plead the claim at the outset and the claim being for a sum, well within the small claims limit, such that the Defendant considers it disproportionate and at odds with the overriding objective (in the context of a failure by the Claimant to properly comply with rules and practice directions) for a Judge to throw the erring Claimant a lifeline by ordering further particulars (to which a further defence might be filed, followed by further referral to a Judge for directions and allocation) the court is respectfully invited to strike this claim out. 13. Whilst the new Code and Act is not retrospective, it was enacted due to the failure of the self-serving BPA & IPC Codes of Practice. The Minister is indisputably talking about existing (not future) cases when declaring that 'recovery' fees were 'designed to extort money'. A clear steer for the Courts which it is hoped overrides mistakes made in a few appeal cases that the parking industry desperately rely upon (Britannia v Semark-Jullien, One Parking Solution v Wilshaw, Vehicle Control Services v Ward and Vehicle Control Services v Percy). 14. Far from being persuasive, regrettably these one-sided appeals saw Circuit Judges led in one direction by Counsel for parking firms, and the litigant-in-person consumers lacked the wherewithal to appeal. In case this Claimant tries to rely upon these, the Defendant avers that errors were made in every case. Evidence was either overlooked (including signage discrepancies in Wilshaw, where the Judge was also oblivious to the BPA Code of Practice and the DVLA KADOE requirement for landowner authority) or the Judge inexplicably sought out and quoted from the wrong Code altogether (Percy). In Ward, a few seconds' emergency stop out of the control of the driver was unfairly aligned with the admitted parking contract in Beavis. Those learned Judges were not in possession of the same level of information as the DLUHC, whose incoming statutory Code of Practice now clarifies such matters as a definition of 'parking' as well as consideration and grace periods and minor matters such as 'keying errors' or 'fluttering tickets/permits' where a PCN should not have been issued at all, or should have been cancelled in the pre-action dispute phase. POFA and CRA breaches 15. Pursuant to Schedule 4 paragraph 4(5) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ('the POFA') the sum claimed exceeds the maximum potentially recoverable from a registered keeper, even in cases where a firm may have complied with other POFA requirements (adequate signage, Notice to Keeper wording/dates, and a properly communicated 'relevant contract/relevant obligation'). If seeking keeper/hirer liability - unclear from the POC - the Claimant is put to strict proof of full compliance and liability transferred. 16. Claiming costs on an indemnity basis is unfair, per the Unfair Contract Terms Guidance (CMA37, para 5.14.3), the Government guidance on the Consumer Rights Act 2015 ('CRA'). The CRA introduced new requirements for 'prominence' of both contract terms and 'consumer notices'. In a parking context, this includes signage and all notices, letters and other communications intended to be read by the consumer. 17. Section 71 creates a duty upon courts to consider the test of fairness, including (but not limited to) whether all terms/notices were unambiguously and conspicuously brought to the attention of a consumer. Signage must be prominent, plentiful, well placed and lit, and all terms unambiguous and obligations clear. The Defendant avers that the CRA has been breached due to unfair/unclear terms and notices, pursuant to s62 and paying due regard to examples 6, 10, 14 & 18 of Schedule 2 and the requirements for fair/open dealing and good faith. ParkingEye v Beavis is distinguished (lack of legitimate interest/prominence of terms) 18. ParkingEye overcame the possibility of their £85 charge being dismissed as punitive, however the Supreme Court clarified that ‘the penalty rule is plainly engaged’ in parking cases, which must each be determined on their own facts. That 'unique' case met a commercial justification test, and took into account the prominent yellow/black uncluttered signs with £85 in the largest/boldest text. Rather than causing other parking charges to be automatically justified, the Beavis case facts set a high bar that this Claimant has failed to reach. 19. Paraphrasing from the Supreme Court, deterrence is likely to be penal if there is a lack of a 'legitimate interest' in performance extending beyond the prospect of compensation flowing directly from the alleged breach. The intention cannot be to punish a driver, nor to present them with hidden terms, unexpected/cumbersome obligations nor 'concealed pitfalls or traps'. 20. In the present case, the Claimant has fallen foul of those tests. The Claimant’s small signs have vague/hidden terms and a mix of small font, and are considered incapable of binding a driver. Consequently, it remains the Defendant’s position that no contract to pay an onerous 'penalty' was seen or agreed. Binding Court of Appeal authorities which are on all fours with a case involving unclear terms and a lack of ‘adequate notice’ of a parking charge, include: (i) Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] 1 WLR 461 (‘red hand rule’) and (ii) Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1970] EWCA Civ2, both leading authorities confirming that a clause cannot be incorporated after a contract has been concluded; and (iii) Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest: CA 5 Apr 2000, where Ms Vine won because it was held that she had not seen the terms by which she would later be bound, due to "the absence of any notice on the wall opposite the parking space'' (NB: when parking operator Claimants cite Vine, they often mislead courts by quoting out of context, Roch LJ's words about the Respondent’s losing case, and not from the ratio). 21. Fairness and clarity of terms and notices are paramount in the statutory Code and this is supported by the BPA & IPC Trade Bodies. In November 2020's Parking Review, solicitor Will Hurley, CEO of the IPC, observed: "Any regulation or instruction either has clarity or it doesn’t. If it’s clear to one person but not another, there is no clarity. The same is true for fairness. Something that is fair, by definition, has to be all-inclusive of all parties involved – it’s either fair or it isn’t. The introduction of a new ‘Code of Practice for Parking’ provides a wonderful opportunity to provide clarity and fairness for motorists and landowners alike." Lack of standing or landowner authority, and lack of ADR 22. DVLA data is only supplied to pursue parking charges if there is an agreement flowing from the landholder (ref: KADOE rules). It is not accepted that this Claimant (an agent of a principal) has authority from the landowner to issue charges in this place in their own name. The Claimant is put to strict proof that they have standing to make contracts with drivers and litigate in their own name. 23. The Claimant failed to offer a genuinely independent Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR). The Appeals Annex in the new incoming statutory Code shows that genuine disputes such as this would see the charge cancelled, had a fair ADR existed. Whether or not a person engaged with it, the Claimant's consumer blame culture and reliance upon the industry's own 'appeals service' should not sway the court into a belief that a fair appeal was ever on offer. The rival Trade Bodies' time-limited and opaque 'appeals' services fail to properly consider facts or rules of law and reject almost any dispute: e.g. the IAS upheld appeals in a woeful 4% of decided cases (IPC's 2020 Annual Report). Conclusion 24. The claim is entirely without merit. The Defendant believes that it is in the public interest that claims like this should be struck out because knowingly enhanced parking claims like this one cause consumer harm on a grand scale. 25. There is ample evidence to support the view - long held by many District Judges - that these are knowingly exaggerated claims. For HMCTS to only disallow those costs in the tiny percentage of cases that reach hearings whilst other claims to continue to flood the courts unabated, is to fail hundreds of thousands of consumers who suffer CCJs or pay inflated amounts, in fear of intimidating pre-action threats. 26. In the matter of costs, the Defendant asks: (a) at the very least, for standard witness costs for attendance at Court, pursuant to CPR 27.14, and (b) for a finding of unreasonable conduct by this Claimant, seeking costs pursuant to CPR 46.5. 27. Attention is drawn specifically to the (often-seen from this industry) distinct possibility of an unreasonably late Notice of Discontinuance. Whilst CPR r.38.6 states that the Claimant is liable for the Defendant's costs after discontinuance (r.38.6(1)) this does not normally apply to claims allocated to the small claims track (r.38.6(3)). However, the White Book states (annotation 38.6.1): "Note that the normal rule as to costs does not apply if a claimant in a case allocated to the small claims track serves a notice of discontinuance although it might be contended that costs should be awarded if a party has behaved unreasonably (r.27.14(2)(dg))." Statement of Truth I believe that the facts stated in this defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.
    • Hi, I was caught by the security guards today for shoplifting in John Lewis. I think total amount is about £500. They said they saw me on CCTV last week, I was freaked out so I admitted it. I know it’s awful… I cried as I was too scared and begged them pls don’t call the police. They took pics of me and wrote down my details from banking app as I didn’t have any id with me. I told them my difficulties that I was scammed £35k recently and I lost my job so I stole those things and sell them. I apologised and they said they won’t call the police but I’m banned and will receive letters from RLP for fines which including this time and the last time(I didn’t give back the goods I took last time). I know it’s very very bad, I feel shameful and so depressed so hopeless about everything happened. I wonder since it’s a lot of money, will they sue me, take me to the court, or will they change their mind to call the police when they check the cctv footage to check how much I owe them? I said sorry I really couldn’t afford the fine at this situation, they said it’s their job they can’t do anything. Later when I was out of the mall, the security guard said, I can call RLP to negotiate about the fee. Also I’m probably moving to another city in 2 months, so if they want to take me to court but I didn’t receive any letters what should I do… and the security guy told me it’s worse as I traveled to this city and stealing stuff. I’m home now but feeling awful, wish people could give me some advice, thank you very much.
    • Before you do any of the above – Stop! You need to spend a few days reading up on the stories on this sub- forum so that you understand the principles and you understand how to go about making your claim. We will help you – and you have a better than 95% chance of getting your money back – but you need to be in control of what you are doing. We will help you – but this is a self-help forum and you need to have done the reading so that you are confident of each step and you know your way forward. Please don't do anything at all – in particular don't send a letter of claim – until you have done all the reading and I would suggest that probably you will start drafting your letter of claim over the weekend. Also, you haven't told us anything about what has happened. We don't know dates, items dispatched, value, whether they were properly declared, whether you bought so-called insurance, you have been declined reimbursement but we don't know why. If you want us to help you then you will have to give us this basic information. Also the fact that you are an eBay trader makes this slightly more complicated although it doesn't at all affect your chances of success.  Read the other threads on this sub- forum – and especially the pinned threads at the top in order to understand the principles. You also quickly understand the kind of help that we will give you and you will understand some of the draft documents which have been used in other successful claims.
    • Thanks, I'm finishing up the skeleton and hope to have it done today. Will look at statement of case too and get that done over the next few days.
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If you have been successful in your claim with First Direct but the thread title doesn't show **WON** or **SETTLED** can you please send a private message to one of the mods to change the title and put it in the successes sub-forum.

 

This will give other users an at-a-glance guide to other cases that have been won and may just give them that extra little bit of confidence needed to pursue First Direct themselves.

 

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HI I have successfully claimed against FD, recieved a cheque for £3,249.71, back in Oct, now helping my brother do his claims!! Thank you to everyone for all their help

Egg - WAR!

Natwest - WAR!

First Direct - Got my money back - £ 3249.71

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I went through put my claim through the small claims court, on which they acknowledged and offered me half the money. I wrote back to them and accpeted the half but made it clear that I would continue with court action for the full amount. They then offered me the full amount.

 

Stick with it and stick with the time scales too, they will pay up!

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First Direct - Got my money back - £ 3249.71

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hi we have sent the letter off claiming £2993 and we have had a letter back saying that we will hear within 10 days and a leaflet explaining how the bank deals with complaints. One thing that worries me is that if we get the money back will the bank get funny and withdraw our overdrafrt facility? Has anyone any experience of this?

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hey,

I sent of my statements with the letter requesting my charges back, FD responded quite quickly and said they would be in contact in 10 working days. I heard nothing so i rung them and wrote a letter. i did receive a letter end of last week, stating they were inundated with claims and it would be another 10 working days. I know they are stalling, if they dont come back to me by the 2nd, what should I do...... start the court proceedings?

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It also might be useful if "success stories" include the type of interest they went for and if they got it. Its something I would like to know (so I can decide what to go for) so I presume it would be useful to others as well.

 

Cheers.

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Hi, Just Wanted To Let People Know My Success With First Direct,

 

Back In Novenber Got My First Bank Charge Of £55, Things Are Pretty Tight So This Left Me Short And Got Into The Vicious Circle Of Bank Charges, Im In The Middle Of Fighting Bank Charges For My Son And Barclays So Did Not Really Want To Have Two Claims Going At The Same Time So I Gave First Direct A Ring Today At 12.00pm , Spoke To A Chap In The " Reclaim Bank Charge" Depatment, Said I Was Not Happy About The Charges,they Had Amounted To £320 Since November, He Tried To Say They Were Just Etc, So I Said I Know They Are Not And Was Hoping I Wouldnt Have To Go Down The Claim Route As Im In The Middle Of A Claim For My Son, He Agreed To Look Into My Complaint.

 

12.25 Pm Call From First Direct, They Looked Back At There Charges And Agreed That They Had Taken A Total Of £320, Did I Have A Figure I Was Hoping To Get Back, All Of Them I Said Because If I Claimed It Would Cost Them More In The Long Run With Interest Etc. He Said He Would Call Me Back.

 

12.35 Call From First Direct, Offered Full Amount, Credited To Account Straight Away.

 

Wowwwwwwww, Not Bad For A Couple Of Phone Calls.

 

Good Luck Everyone Else, Just Barclays For £1068 For My Son Now

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Hello,

I'm on the verge of achieving some success with FD.

 

To cut a long story short, my partner and I have incurred heavy bank charges for years from FD. These charges, as you probably can guess, have been unfair, unsubstantiated and forced us into more debt.

 

We have been with FD for 5 years (4 years as main operational account) and with Nationwide for 1 year (now our main account). Over the five years, we incurred £1,400 of charges from First Direct (and that's without adding interest) so earlier this month I issued a letter to them requesting this back using the template from the BBC website.

 

This morning, I received a 'Without Prejudice' letter from First Direct offering a refund just shy of £1,000, £400 less than what we asked for and it included an additional £185 charges they've added this month. If we accept it, we must sign and send it back within 10 working days. The bank's defence of the charges was as follows:

 

'In circumstances where you have authorised a payment that would, if met by us, lead to your account going overdrawn or to exceed an agreed overdraft limit, we have to consider whether to make this payment. A fee is payable for this service provided by the bank, details of which are clearly set out in our published tariff. The circumstances in which the fee will apply are clearly set out in our Account Terms and Conditions, a copy of which was provided to you when you opened your account. We are confident to our position and believe that if your claim for a refund proceeded to Court, we would successfully resist any legal challenge in relation to these fees'

 

But I believe they're bluffing and would normally take up the challenge. However, I need to access that cash quickly before I start other action which may have them reclaim it.

 

After I've taken the cash, I'll target Nationwide as I'm sure I've funded bonuses for staff at my local branch already! :-) Just got to wait until my parachute account opens next week!

 

Anyway, thanks for listening!

 

Best

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Hi all,

 

I downloaded my statements, sent off my summary for £1260 and the covering letter and was offered £1170 within 14 days, which I accepted.

 

I claimed DD Recalls, Overdraft Fee's and Excess Overdraft Fee's

 

Good luck everyone!

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Hi, not sure if I'm putting this in the right place, but if not, hopefully someone will move it!

History of claim - had statements so straight to asking for refund

Letter 1 16/3/07 - claiming refund of £415 in charges from a closed account.

Reply from First Direct 23/3 offering £340 (knocked off two random charges)

Letter 2 - 24/3/07 - declined offer and asked for full amount and made this letter LBA

Today 13/4/07 - about to issue claim on MCOL, but rang first direct(08456 100 100) before issuing, at about 4.30 p.m. I was very polite, but explained that I was about to issue my online claim. They put me on hold for five minutes, whilst 'the relevant person in another department was reviewing my claim'. they came back and offered the full £415 of charges. I will have a letter in the post tonight.

 

I would have had a claim for £66.33 in interest had I gone to court, but this has saved me a lot of worry and heartache and as I have another 7 claims on the go, one off the list is useful.

 

I hope this scenario is useful to others, as a possible way forward and maybe it says something about First Direct's tactics at present and their lack of desire to go to Court.

 

I have today (17/4/07) received their offer in writing with the form to sign and return.

I am happy to sign the form as it is a closed account and does not bind me for the future conduct of this acount or charges. I just thought I would point out that it says in bold on this form - PLEASE RETURN THE ORIGINAL DECLARATION TO US. ANY AMENDMENTS WILL DECLARE IT NULL AND VOID.

I mention this as I know many people have been crossing through bits of acceptance forms they do not like and this seEms a tactic to prevent this. It does not affect me in this case.

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Success...yey!!

 

I have received the full ammount I was claiming £5971.19.....not bad!! It took about 3 months all in all and got to the county court stage. They did make an offer of £1200 less but I stuck out for the full ammont and low and behold...they credited my account before the Court dedline!!

 

Anyone who is thinking about it, do it! All you have to do is send the letters at the correct times and have alot of patients!!!

 

Good luck...you won't need it though!

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Fantastic,

 

Fd have decided to pay up, started 15 Feb 07, followed all the time lines and advice from this site, had incredible advice and support, (if not i maybe would have stacked at the county court stage) had an offer today for the full amount plus court fees of £6,210.15. For anyone else out there, do not give up!! it may seem daunting at times, but if you continue with the advice and inspiration from this site , you will get your money back> Rgds

 

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OMG - To all of you out there that don't believe that this works read this!!!!

 

11 April 2007 - Sent Letter asking for statements - Letter back saying they'll send via DHL and returned £10 cheque

 

03 May 2007 - Statements received!!! - Letter 1 sent requesting £1842 worth of charges please £208.11 interest

 

09 May 2007 - Letter received from FD offering £1585

 

09 May 2007 - Sent letter to FD qequesting £1867 plus interest or going to court. (received £25 charge so added on)

 

16 May 2007 - Letter from FD offering £1867 - accepted they can keep the interest as it was my fault I went overdrawn.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

 

So to all of you that think that this is a con you are very much mistaken I am now debt free and can sleep easy. Reclaim it it's your money!!!

 

Nat

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Jeez Natalieta well done, talk about timing!!!!!

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First Direct - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent 29/12/06

Statements recieved 15/1/07 - >£3000 owed

Prelim sent 16.01.07

Partial offer received 01.02.2007

LBA and letter rejecting paltry offer sent 02.02.2007

MCOL filed mid Feb 07

AQ 26th March

 

 

BoS - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent 29/12/06

Statements received 1.02.2007 - Prelim sent 02.02.2007

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If you have been successful in your claim with First Direct but the thread title doesn't show **WON** or **SETTLED** can you please send a private message to one of the mods to change the title and put it in the successes sub-forum.

 

This will give other users an at-a-glance guide to other cases that have been won and may just give them that extra little bit of confidence needed to pursue First Direct themselves.

 

If you can't PM a mod for whatever reason then just reply to this thread.

 

 

hi blueskies

 

can yu show me for a win of £10.4K against First Direct, settlement after AQ and request for directions and disclosure submitted on Fastrack, money safety deposited in a non FD bank account, donation has been sent, thanks again, keep up the good work

 

 

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Sent letter to FD for £1,195 (£1,145 without interest) on 18 June

 

Received letter this morning with offer of £998. Am gonna call on Mon and try and get a bit more (cheeky I know but worth a try!)

 

Otherwise I will accept this one!

 

Thanks for all the great advice on the site!

 

:)

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Congratulations

 

Cheeky....yes I think so - what asking for the full amount they took from you?

 

I think you have a nerve - after all they negotiated with you every time they took money from your account.

 

You tell them you want the full amount my friend.

 

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Congratulations

 

Cheeky....yes I think so - what asking for the full amount they took from you?

 

I think you have a nerve - after all they negotiated with you every time they took money from your account.

 

You tell them you want the full amount my friend.

 

Z

 

They negotitated with me? Eh?

 

I have 8 charges with them, so even if I take off the approx £3 it costs them to charge me, it's still over £1,100. That's my logic anyway. I will let you know how I get on.

 

Thanks

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  • 3 weeks later...

Offer in full arrived in post this morning (actually £30 over what I asked for!!!). Only got bundle to them on Thursday. Thanks guys. 5% of it is for you to keep this brilliant site going - couldn't have done it without you! :D

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