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    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.    
    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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they offered to set one up for me, but only if I provided them with new bank card no.s , that didn't happen, especially after I found out they raided my account anyway, and a day before the due date at that, despite 6 emails to them, all unanswered. they are crap on the phone too, will only talk if you give them card details. They say my account is now more than it was 7 days ago, despite havin taking £133.83 out , I only borrowed £265 in the first place, I have spoken to CD about them, they have said to ring the FOS and complain, so that's next.

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they offered to set one up for me, but only if I provided them with new bank card no.s , that didn't happen, especially after I found out they raided my account anyway, and a day before the due date at that, despite 6 emails to them, all unanswered. they are crap on the phone too, will only talk if you give them card details. They say my account is now more than it was 7 days ago, despite havin taking £133.83 out , I only borrowed £265 in the first place, I have spoken to CD about them, they have said to ring the FOS and complain, so that's next.

 

Keep us updated how it goes, i not willing to discuss via phone with them but they don't reply to emails.

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I defaulted on a loan of about £290 with 24/7 moneybox. I have tryed emailing them to set up a payment plan to no avail its all gone quiet there end as i have refused to talk to them on the phone how should i deal with it and what are they likely to do?

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hiya darren, you could write them a letter which offers repayment plans, send it recorded delivery so they dont say you never offered repayment xx dont worry about it too much and only pay what you can afford, when you can afford it x

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Received this message from 24/7 moneybox

 

After discussing with my manager we will accept your offer of £60 per month payment plan. Obviously fees will continue until we receive your first payment. But as soon as that is received all fees and charges will be frozen and the balance will be reduced on every payment.

 

Sounds fair to me.

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Oh Darren I feel so much better now, not because you have more than me cos I have other debts too but because other people who understand what I am going through. Have you managed to get them under control. I've changed my bank details and am hopefully going to set up monthly payment plans where they will freeze the interest.

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Some of these companies will insist on taking your card details so they can set up a payment plan. Whatever you do, don't fall for it. If they have access to your card, they can and will

often take whatever they can regardless of any agreement made. My advise is to get a couple of prepaid debit cards which you load just before making any payment.

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Some of these companies will insist on taking your card details so they can set up a payment plan. Whatever you do, don't fall for it. If they have access to your card, they can and will

often take whatever they can regardless of any agreement made. My advise is to get a couple of prepaid debit cards which you load just before making any payment.

 

Yes i have another account and am gonna put money on it as and when i am making payments.

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Oh Darren I feel so much better now, not because you have more than me cos I have other debts too but because other people who understand what I am going through. Have you managed to get them under control. I've changed my bank details and am hopefully going to set up monthly payment plans where they will freeze the interest.

 

well i have only tried and succeeded in setting up plans with 2 so far but 1 of them was 24/7 moneybox who are apparantly one of the harder ones to deal with, they took a while to agree and i had to harrass them with emails but eventually they emailed back with

 

After discussing with my manager we will accept your offer of £60 per month payment plan. Obviously fees will continue until we receive your first payment. But as soon as that is received all fees and charges will be frozen and the balance will be reduced on every payment.

 

Which i think is reasonable, i'm no expert but i'd say don't back down and make sure you don't let them get away with stuff there not allowed too in other words no the laws.

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247 wont answer emails, I asked why not, they said wrong dept, you couldn't make it up, they tried to tell me they took money out on the 5th as agreed, yet I was staring at the screen of my bank saying the 4th, told the guy will send him a screen shot and expect his call in the morning to apologies, any takers on if he'll ring or not?

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247 wont answer emails, I asked why not, they said wrong dept, you couldn't make it up, they tried to tell me they took money out on the 5th as agreed, yet I was staring at the screen of my bank saying the 4th, told the guy will send him a screen shot and expect his call in the morning to apologies, any takers on if he'll ring or not?

 

Whats your situation at present with them if u don't mind me asking

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they took 93, 20 and 20, the 93 was a day early, I borrowed 265, they now say still over 300 , told him he was having a laugh but would make arrangement to pay the rest of what i actually owe. waiting for him to ring today after he sees the proof they took it early .

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Remember, all payday loans are only repaid on the basis of original loan amount plus one months interest. No more. They aren't legally entitled to any more than that. Don't pay them their stupid charges.

"In this situation, you know what you have to do? Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming." Dory - Finding Nemo.:wink:

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The prepaid debit card is a very good idea, that way they cannot get their hands on your income and are satisifed when they have the debit card.

 

I have a strong suspicion that a lot of these companies are offshore based and hiding the money trail, that is why they won't give out their bank details, also some clever person might find a way of getting THEIR money back by using the bank details given out.

 

There needs to be much tougher legislation against this lot, they cannot go mad with charges when your interest rate is already over the odds, and they cannot take money 'at will' without incurring severe penalties (as would happen to us if we did that).

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Remember, all payday loans are only repaid on the basis of original loan amount plus one months interest. No more. They aren't legally entitled to any more than that. Don't pay them their stupid charges.

 

That's good to know, thanks Kitten 1. So glad I joined this forum you are all so helpful, thank you.

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Their terms and conditions are flawed and are NOT UK law, the Unfair Terms and Conditions act comes into play here. UK Statute law takes precedence over terms and conditions where they are flawed. I suggest you read up on other threads on this forum where it has been discussed in depth.

 

Just because it is in the terms and conditions does not make it legal or right or enforceable by law.

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