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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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After listening to my mate (who now has been paid out by A&L, and extremely easily) she had me convinced that barclays was one of the easier ones to sue! After reading more closely i now know that this isn't the case. Issued court proceedings on 12th Sept, which i now know won't be acknowledged until about the 13th/14th day, then the wait of another 28 days!! Is it really worth the sleepless nights?! Is it likely that it will then be defended in which i will have to pay more money and spend more time, listing my charges?? I don't know how you really work out the interest, as using your calculator, my mate who just got a cheque wrongly thought you added the total at the bottom of the calculator to your charges fees, so she had to then file an amendment, but before they got that they paid, and about £500 more than she had worked out on the amendment. If you have to pay for the next stage, do you have to stay at the figure you have already filed for?? Am i worrying too much?? Going mad!! :-x

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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Oh, fallen7682....poor u!

 

Don't loose sight of why you first started. They have taken YOUR money unlawfully and you have every right to claim it back! Chin up... keep strong and keep reading everyone elses threads, it keeps me motivated!

It will be worth it!

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Thanks for the encouragement. I'm getting married in December and could really do with the money, and at this rate will be lucky to get it before then. I find your words helpful and i will stick with it, just having a bad week lol, and wish there was some ending to this. Good luck with yours and let me know how you get on. Kate

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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Many congrats on wedding... just think, you will have the money in the new year to start your new married life!!

It is definately a rollercoaster ride but remember .....IT IS YOUR MONEY!! Well worth fighting for it back!

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ps- yes Barclays are 'bloodsuckers' as people on this site have been known to refer them as, and they do try and fight a little (more than other banks) but they are just wasting their money in the end by dragging it out. And, they are trying to scare people off.

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Hi Heidik.

 

Chin up.

Issued court proceedings on 12th Sept, which i now know won't be acknowledged until about the 13th/14th day, then the wait of another 28 days!!
Think you will find its 28 days from the date of issue of claim, after they acknowledge your claim they have 14 days to submit defence.

That should cheer you up.

Argyle.

Story So Far:

Pre letter sent 14th August.

Barclays Reply 18th August.

Barclays Reply 5th Sept.

Lba sent 30th August.

Rejection letter sent 9th Sept.

Barclays reply 13th Sept.

Mcol submitted 15/09/2006.

AQ received 21/10/2006.

AQ returned 23 /10/2006.

Court Date:25/01/07 10.30am

Phoned Barclays 08/01/07 Said they would contact me shortly.

15/01/07 Received letter offering a full settlement however figure was short.

22/01/07 Received telephone call from Barclays asking for a settlement figure.

CLAIM SETTLED IN FULL!!!!!!!!!

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Thanks you all for being so supportive, was having a really bad day which didn't help. Feeling a lot more optimistic about it all now, at least the longer it takes the more interest they will have to pay!!! Look forward to hearing how all your cases are doing to keep me posted, and thanks once again for brightening my day :D

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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Just keep us all updated on the steps you take and if you have any doubt ask us before you send in the letters or do whatever. We will help you through this. Good Luck, we will be watching with interest, you will find if you follow it through you will hit the roof when the cheque arrives on your doorstep, i know i did.

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Hi Heidik.

 

Chin up.

Think you will find its 28 days from the date of issue of claim, after they acknowledge your claim they have 14 days to submit defence.

That should cheer you up.

Argyle.

 

No, Heidi is correct, you're not. It's 14 days to acknowledge, then 28 days from acknowldgement to lodge a defence.

 

Heidi, if you've filed 12th September, don't think about seeing your money until March, April earliest. I lodged mine in April, and they still haven't settled. (However, hearing date's November 2nd, so one way or another, it shouldn't be much longer :-D)

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Hi,

Please keep going dont get down, claiming back whats your's is full of obstacles, precisly put in your way to put you off claiming back your charges, the banks want people to think it's too much of a hassle, and they make things as difficult as they can, but believe me whern you persevere and WIN you feel a million dollars, I had times when I was very frustrated and I too thought it's doing my head in, but Please continue It's worth it in the end.:)

 

 

GOOD LUCK ......................:D

LETS ROCK !!!:D :D :D

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Acknowledged

The Defendant is allowed a total of 28 days from the date from when they are served with the claim to reply.

 

Doesn't this mean that they only actually get another 14 days on top of the claim to respond and file defence?? When they are served with the claim they have 14 days to acknowledge or defend plus then if they acknowledge they get another 14days but that from their website surely means from the date they are served??? Oh im confused.

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I thought the same orfoster. The Step by Step instructions are clear on this. The link http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/faqs-please-read-these/31460-step-step-instructions.html

 

state that the Defendant has a TOTAL of 28 days from "date deemed served".

 

Bookworm, can you check on this please?

To follow my case progress, click here to see where I'm at right now.

 

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I thought the same orfoster. The Step by Step instructions are clear on this. The link http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/faqs-please-read-these/31460-step-step-instructions.html

 

state that the Defendant has a TOTAL of 28 days from "date deemed served".

 

Bookworm, can you check on this please?

 

AFAIK it's a total of 28 days. Fourteen days to defend or acknowledge, then if acknowledged a further fourteen days.

 

Pete

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From HMCS site:

 

Within 14 days of receiving (being 'served' with) particulars of your claim, the defendant must send to the court (called 'filing') either:

  • an acknowledgment of service; or
  • a defence.

 

and

 

Why would the defendant file an acknowledgment of service instead of a defence?

 

Filing a Form N9 (acknowledgment of service) gives the defendant extra time in which to prepare a defence. The time for filing a defence is increased from 14 to 28 days from the date of service of your particulars of claim.

 

So in theory, it would seem so. But I have had 5 claims forms coming back to me form Northampton now, and every single one of them stated on the AoS that the defendant had "28 days from this date (on AoS) to file a defence".

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From HMCS site:

 

 

 

and

 

 

 

So in theory, it would seem so. But I have had 5 claims forms coming back to me form Northampton now, and every single one of them stated on the AoS that the defendant had "28 days from this date (on AoS) to file a defence".

 

My AoS clearly states:

 

"The defendant now has 28 days from the date of service of the claim form to file a defence.

 

Pete

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The question that then springs to mind is, why claimants have been filing for judgement - and allowed to do so - at the end of the 28th day after the defendants were deemed to have been served.

To follow my case progress, click here to see where I'm at right now.

 

Welshman

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A-ha, clarified. My mistake, or should I say my misunderstanding:

An Acknowledgment of Service of your claim has been filed today, a copy of which is attached.

 

The defendant now has 28 days from the date of service of the claim form to file a defence

 

So yes, 14/14, then, which means that retrospectively, I let Natwest get away with it a few months back! B*gger, b*gger, b*gger :mad:

 

Apologies for the confusion, grovel, grovel, etc... :-)

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Bookworm, no problem. I do feel it is very confusing until you look at it with an open mind. I called the court about this as it made no sense to me. I may be on first name terms with them soon lol.

George Loveless - “We raise the watchword, liberty. We will, we will, we will be free!"

 

My advice is only my opinion, I am not a legal expert.

 

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I was getting confused just reading it all!!! Kept me entertained for 5 mins lol!! Made me grin about the whole thing, which i haven't done for a while. Thanks guys for all being so supportive. Trying not to check my online claim every 5 minutes so made a bet that i will not check it till after 1pm from now on, and it's only 9.17am and it's killing me!!! Keep me posted on any developments :razz:

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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haha you sad person lol

 

Thats what i did as well. Its suprising how good it makes you feel when you get that cheque in the post which in sure you will very soon.

George Loveless - “We raise the watchword, liberty. We will, we will, we will be free!"

 

My advice is only my opinion, I am not a legal expert.

 

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