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    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
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    • Yes, it was, but in practice we've found time after time that judges will not rule against PPCs solely on the lack of PP.  They should - but they don't.  We include illegal signage in WSs, but more as a tactic to show the PPC up as spvis rather than in the hope that the judge will act on that one point alone. But sue them for what?  They haven't really done much apart from sending you stupid letters. Breach of GDPR?  It could be argued they knew you had Supremacy of Contact but it's a a long shot. Trespass to your vehicle?  I know someone on the Parking Prankster blog did that but it's one case out of thousands. Surely best to defy them and put the onus on them to sue you.  Make them carry the risk.  And if they finally do - smash them. If you want, I suppose you could have a laugh at the MA's expense.  Tell them about the criminality they have endorsed and give them 24 hours to have your tickets cancelled and have the signs removed - otherwise you will contact the council to start enforcement for breach of planning permission.
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Recently bailiffs attended our premises to carry out a removal on behalf of our landlord for rent arrears. This went smoothly, we offered no resistance, and have subsequently paid all outstanding amounts and received the goods back.

Due to the nature of the amount of stock removed, the bailiffs had to request a large Panel van which came to remove the goods. This they charged us £500 for on their Distress for Rent Rules 1988 (Form 9) Removal Expense Form.

They also charged us £500 for 2 Bailiffs to attend, and 3 porters, £480 for driving up in their own vehicle and £200 for extra waiting time.

I would like to dispute the charge of £480 for their own vehicle as completely excessive. This vehicle was not used to remove any goods, and the bailiffs would have to travel to our premises in any event to effect the removal. Additionally as we have been charged £500 for the bailiffs own attendance, why have we been charged for waiting time? They have to attend to remove and they knew how much stock they would be taking from the distraint form, so they knew how long they would be here for. Why is waiting time being charged?

I have twice requested a Scale of Fees from them, and they have refused to provide one.

I REALLY do not want them to get away with this.. is a Detailed Assessment the way to go or should I file a small claims case?

 

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yes, the action was lawful, we had a lease, its a long story, but they were within their rights to remove. I am not disputing that. What I am taking issue with is charging me for the van they drove here in and never used.. and the waiting time, when they have already charged me for their attendance.. any help greatly appreciated! Thanks again

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yes, the action was lawful, we had a lease, its a long story, but they were within their rights to remove. I am not disputing that. What I am taking issue with is charging me for the van they drove here in and never used.. and the waiting time, when they have already charged me for their attendance.. any help greatly appreciated! Thanks again

 

You said at the beginning a "large panel van" - have you tried locally around you to see how much a similar vehicle may cost for say half a day as I assume this would have taken no more than 4 hours, did it come with a driver? They can possibly charge waiting time dependent on the length of time it took and the men they had. I would argue the charge for their own vehicle as they cannot realistically charge for using 2.

 

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That's a difficult one, if you go detailed assessment & lose there could be costs ramifications, if you go Small Claims then you have to prove the fee is unjust. Will have to do some more reading when I get home.

 

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Can you not SAR the bailiffs (or there's another letter which avoids the £10 fee) to find out a detailed breakdown of the bailiffs costs. Once you have that you can see what is and is not legal. Can you not then use CPUTR to ask some questions, reminding them them that any answers give could be used in a court of law and they could be put to strict proof that all answers are correct. If it is found they have not told the truth they could potentially lose their licence to trade.

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