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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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right my question is not about council tax benefit its about a bill for a nursing home my father was in which we are trying to be billed for well there trying to take me to court for as the bills in my name even though it was for my fathers care .

 

What i need to know is legally have they got a leg to stand on as my father is no longer alive and the time the bill relates to he was still living but had given us permission to use monies from his account to pay bills for the house but am not really sure where we stand on this now any advice will be appreciated as this has been dragging on quite a while now xxxkia

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If you was down as next of kin and dealing with your dads finances at the home then yes you will have to pay all outstanding invoices..ie top ups etc unless things have changed but i don't think so..if im wrong im sure someone will put you right

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hi kia,

 

if i was in your situation, i would seek legal advice from a solicitor immediately, you can usually get the first half hour or maybe longer free,

and if the amount is large, and they do take legal action, you will need a solicitor to defend you, sounds as though it could involve a large sum by your thread, hope this helps totiesquoties.

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I had the same thing with my Mum Kia. We had power of attourney for her, but had to sign with social services as well accepting responsibility for her bills. They were paid when her bungalow was sold.

 

There's no getting away from it I'm afraid.

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I've moved this to legal issues as there's a threat of court, and changed the thread title to be clearer what this is about.

 

Your Dad will have been assessed before he went into the home. He would only have been allowed to keep £22 or so for his personal needs and the rest should have gone on his care. I assume you were involved in this. This explains more.

 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/CaringForSomeone/CareHomes/DG_10031525

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Thanks all of u for the help it dont sound like i got much choice but to pay it does the amount is 560 pounds so not a huge amount but im on benefits so suppose better to set up a payment plan i went through alot of personal probs at end of last year and this bill just got forgotten about unfortunatly these things do tend to come back to haunt u dont they and my lovely daughter hide this letter so only unearthed this yesterday and it was dated a month ago theatening legal action in 14 days so im guessing theres not much i can do now just wait to see what comes next from the courts or would it be better to write now saying only just found the letter xxxkia

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I'd write, say letter has only just arrived (well it has to you), apologise for your ignorance and that you didn't realise that you had to pay. say that you are on benefits and can you come to an arrangement to pay.

Is there nothing from his estate that can pay it? If he didn't have savings of over £22,000 or a property did anything have to be paid?

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no he had nothing no savings etc his funeral needed paying for which was just about met from his personal pension funds was short by few hundred but i just about managed it my dad never planned for the future and when he was alive he lived for the day bless him but it did leave a bit of a mess when he went and i am panicking somewhat now i really thought this had gone away and forgot all about it last year was a bad year for me.

 

I did at some point last year set up a payment plan but it never got paid and now am worrying a bit that they will say no but ill try cos i do have medical records that back up i had a sort of breakdown think i just gave up cos i lost me dad me dog and my relationship all in same year and this bill was least of my worries then xxxkia

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I'm only jusst starting to look at this minefield ..... I don't know if I'm asking the right questions, but just trying some suggestions!

What type of nursing home was it? have you checked with social services, DWP etc. I have read that you are only liable if you have savings/assets over £22,000, but I'm not sure if that is limited to certain types of home etc.

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kia when your dad went into the nursing home you would have signed a contract have a read through it and his nursing care would have been assessed to what level of care he needed as well as a financial assessment ....if the home cost more than

social services paid then thats where the top up comes in..say the weekly fee was £700 but social services only paid 650.00 you

would be need to pay the difference..should also say on your invoices.

As cymruambyth write to them you haven't got to go into detail:wink:

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i know there was no top up needed cos thats why ss choose this home as i couldnt afford a top up with not working and yeh was thinking a letters prob gonna be best way forward thanks both xxxxkia

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Kia check all the paper work...they would have included your dads pension and pension credit in the finance assessment

it should say on the invoice what the bill is for and dates from and to. When you write to them ask them to explain what the bill is for if you are not sure, but other than it being a final bill (top up) i don't know what it could be:|

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will do tilly if can find any of it they have waited along time to chase this up as its been a year or more since dad died so its if i can find any of it xxxxkia

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All fees would of been paid by Social service if he did not have a property or his savings was below the threshold, Social services would of taken his pension to help pay for the Homes fees- and leave him twenty pounds pocket money- the contact would be between the home and Social services the chances are that social services owe the home the money not you or your father - Challenge this with the Nursing Home

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All fees would of been paid by Social service if he did not have a property or his savings was below the threshold, Social services would of taken his pension to help pay for the Homes fees- and leave him twenty pounds pocket money- the contact would be between the home and Social services the chances are that social services owe the home the money not you or your father - Challenge this with the Nursing Home

 

I was just about to write a similar thing when I saw your post.

 

My Mum was in a home for several years before she passed away and this is what we were told. If there were no assets and savings below the above threshold, then your father/you owe nothing.

 

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Hi Kia

Did you manage to get it sorted ?

sorry tilly was away for few days yes they wrote and offered a small amount to repay it so am thinking whats gonna be best atm will prob accept it prob not got much choice thanks for all your help though xxxkia

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just a quick update on this the council in their ultimate wisdom and after a few letters reminding them that the debt was my dads debt not mine i never had respite care, they have written the debt off :-)another victory id say xxxxxkia

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You must be pleased that's sorted and out of the way Kia. Well done.:-)

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