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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi i have been reading alarming storiesfrom people who have bought from ELS. 2 weeks ago we put down a deposit for sofa from Yes sofa's in droitwich. I am now concerned that we will have to pay the full amount and not recieve the sofa like has happened to others. I know it was a furniture shop before but can't remember the name and has recently changed names - i remember the chap with the pony tail being in there under the previous name and he is in there again now.Does anyone know if this is the same dodgy companu and if so am i able to cancel my order and get my deposit back. I don't know what to do!!

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hi jenny, for some reason my blog has been taken off about my problems with els/yes the sofa specialist, have emailed them on here but no one has replied! any way i had problems with yes the sofa specialist but they where els the sofa specialist when i orderd my sofa i asked if they where anything to do with exclusive leather sofa but they said they where a small family run business! see they have opend a second shop look on there web site. Anyway to cut a long story short they sent us a showroom model became quite nasty when we wanted a refund. thank god a paid on credit card as they got all our money back for us but that was not without a fight! please make sure that you check your sofa very carefully as they seem good at sending out sofas that do not meet the standards that new sofas should. the man with the poney tail was there i think he is the owner also there is one called mark and another older man, all promise everything and deliver nothing! we where told a 12week deliver and finally got our showroom sofa after 22 weeks. read all the terms and conditions and go to the consumer direct web site as they tell you all your need to know, contact them and they will help you. please let me know how you get on.

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Hi i have been reading alarming storiesfrom people who have bought from ELS. 2 weeks ago we put down a deposit for sofa from Yes sofa's in droitwich. I am now concerned that we will have to pay the full amount and not recieve the sofa like has happened to others. I know it was a furniture shop before but can't remember the name and has recently changed names - i remember the chap with the pony tail being in there under the previous name and he is in there again now.Does anyone know if this is the same dodgy companu and if so am i able to cancel my order and get my deposit back. I don't know what to do!!

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hi jen did you get your deposit back ? because i just left a deposit at the same shop 2day ? if you did how !!!

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Very much doubt anyone will get their deposits back I can't even get my money back for a non delivered item I ordered last July! If you search this website for other threads relating to yes sofa and els you will be very alarmed and will probably wish u'd have gone somewhere else! Good luck

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Done watchdog heard nothing back, got an email address for trading standards off another person on here who has complained about them but i not got round to emailing him yet but I will! Currently claiming on my house insurance for a solicitor to take them to court, it just ages with all the paperwork to go through ! I'm getting there :-)

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stuart all i would say is pay the balance on a credit card i know that they will charge you a small fee for doing this but if you do have problems with either the staff or the sofa at least your have a major credit card company on side, just remember section 75. Read upon it and know your rights before your sofa comes so at least your be one step ahead of them.

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You can write to Linda McCoy Fair Trading Officer at Worcestershire. Her Phone Number is 01905765371 . She is awaiting 3-4 more complaints before she can take strict action against them. Hope this is helpful.

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You can write to Linda McCoy Fair Trading Officer at Worcestershire. Her Phone Number is 01905765371 .She is awaiting 3-4 more complaints before she can take strict action against them. Hope this is helpful.

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We have also had problems with Yes sofa specialists,our goods are now into our 18th week of waiting after having had 4 delivery dates.

Latest excuse was the Libian crisis is affecting deliveries?????

The link to their website Quotes "English made furniture" so where does it come from????

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We have also had problems with Yes sofa specialists,our goods are now into our 18th week of waiting after having had 4 delivery dates.

Latest excuse was the Libian crisis is affecting deliveries?????

The link to their website Quotes "English made furniture" so where does it come from????

 

I think you should immediately report to Fair Trading Officer Linda McCoy at Worcestershire. Her Phone Number is 01905765371 . These people should not be allowed to do Business.

I have already made compalint but they need more complaint before they can do something for them.

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Yes Sofa Specialists at Droitwich are bunch of bullying people. I was told by salesman that it is Gucci sofa made of crocodile leather. When I pointed next time on delivery date about mentioning Gucci then he refused staright away and started shouting and used Abusive words. They refused accepting my recorded delivery letter at their head office. I will take them to court and have asked Credit card company to refund my amount under section 75 of Sales Good act.

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They are in a habit of falsey selling goods I am taking legal action for selling me a chair they cannot provide and now want me to pay an extra £300. I have been waiting 8 months for this chair to be delivered. I have also been in contact with an IAn Bell at Worcester trading standards he is also looking into this company. I agree they are bullies and very rude!

Yes Sofa Specialists at Droitwich are bunch of bullying people. I was told by salesman that it is Gucci sofa made of crocodile leather. When I pointed next time on delivery date about mentioning Gucci then he refused staright away and started shouting and used Abusive words. They refused accepting my recorded delivery letter at their head office. I will take them to court and have asked Credit card company to refund my amount under section 75 of Sales Good act.
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The snow affected delivery of ours 2 weeks before we had any snow! I have heard every excuse possible off these lot

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We have also had problems with Yes sofa specialists,our goods are now into our 18th week of waiting after having had 4 delivery dates.

Latest excuse was the Libian crisis is affecting deliveries?????

The link to their website Quotes "English made furniture" so where does it come from????

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.We ordered a sofa off yes sofas in Droitwich in November 2010. It arrived the in Feb and we had to send it back to the shop as the side panel of the sofa was only held on with stapples but they were missing and the ones that were there were very visable and lose. Oliver ( pony tail man ) said he would send it back to the makers in Stourbridge and it would come back good as new.

2 weeks later it arrived with the same problem , at this point we had a stand up row with him in the shop in front of his staff and customers.

the settee went back again a further 2 occasions and eventually came back this friday (25th march),we excepted it after checking the panels and thought we had a settee with no faults.

however ! this morning we noticed the corner is saggy and there appears to be nosupport fitted to the base under the cusions. oliver has again promised to sort it out monday morning at 1030 am ..

i really am lost for words at how non plus oliver is !...this will be the 3rd time the settee will have had to go back and i really want now for my money to be returned so i can go else where. i payed cash for the sofa ,oliver said there excempt from trading standards laws because its a bespoke settee!!

any advice greatly appreciated

richard and karena.

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hi richard and kerena,

im not at all suprised by the actions yes sofa company had done to you, they will take your money send faulty goods and run from any trouble after. i think your best bet is get in touch with consumer dircet and they will help you what the next steps are as i was lucky and paid at least the deposit on a card card and i was able to get the full amount including the cash final payment back. Dont let them fobb you off with their lies all the staff seem to make it up as they go along. Also get intouch with trading standard as someone on here has and that will help both you and anyothers making a complaint.

Best of luck and let us all on here know how you get on

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Levigem, have you contacted trading standards direct?

 

if not I have the email address of a person at worcester trading standards who is looking into this company.

 

P.s I think I know who you are by the way.

 

Am I right in thinking you overheard my talking to a friend about the problems im having with yes sofa at a certain school christmas play??

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Mine also had a saggy cushion in the corner piece, Oliver told us that when our chair would be delivered the driver (who is apparently a qualified upholster too) would check it out, but seeing as I still don't have my chair it hasnt been sorted. Problem is now I have had it over 6 mths I can't do anything about it. Still awaiting court action over missing chair though!

Levigem, have you contacted trading standards direct?

 

if not I have the email address of a person at worcester trading standards who is looking into this company.

 

P.s I think I know who you are by the way.

 

Am I right in thinking you overheard my talking to a friend about the problems im having with yes sofa at a certain school christmas play??

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Hi Renton I also contacted Ian bell my complaint was recorded but he said not much he could advise as I'm already taking legal action. Just wondered how u are getting on? Has your new sofa been delivered? I can't believe how many other people are having problems with this company!

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We were contacted by Yes Sofas on Tuesday 29th March to say our suite was ready and could we call in and pay the balance. this suite was ordered 2nd november 2010 chased up six times and cancelled 3weeks ago. We ordered it from droitwich shop call came from Birmingham ? Man said its been so long because they could not get the leather. Heres a funny thing suite only arrives when my credit card company returns my deposit from ELS/YES does the suite exist ??????

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We heard that excuse as well about not being able to get the material we ordered but I'm sure that was just a delay tactic, sounds a bit dodgy to me. I wonder how many customers have actually received what they ordered?

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We were contacted by Yes Sofas on Tuesday 29th March to say our suite was ready and could we call in and pay the balance. this suite was ordered 2nd november 2010 chased up six times and cancelled 3weeks ago. We ordered it from droitwich shop call came from Birmingham ? Man said its been so long because they could not get the leather. Heres a funny thing suite only arrives when my credit card company returns my deposit from ELS/YES does the suite exist ??????
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Well just to update everyone on my case.

 

on the 5th of jan "oliver" promised to order me the correct corner section and that it would take no longer than 12 weeks to arrive.

 

We accepted this but suprise suprise the 12 weeks come nd the corner section was not delivered.

 

following advice from my credit card company we wrote a letter to the shop asking them to come and collect thier sofa and refund us as they had broken their side of the contract.

 

"yes sofa " failed to reply to this so now my credit card company has given us a full refund!!

 

Im over the moon , its took ages but we have stuck trhough it.

 

Please please keep chasing this company, they are nothing but a bunch of crooks, if you do buy a sofa from this shop then make sure you pay by credit card as you will be covered then.

 

The shop still has not collected the sofa......................

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