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    • What do you guys think the chances are for her?   She followed the law, they didnt, then they engage in deception, would the judge take kindly to being lied to by these clowns? If we have a case then we should proceed and not allow these blatant dishonest cheaters to succeed 
    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
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    • Yes, it was, but in practice we've found time after time that judges will not rule against PPCs solely on the lack of PP.  They should - but they don't.  We include illegal signage in WSs, but more as a tactic to show the PPC up as spvis rather than in the hope that the judge will act on that one point alone. But sue them for what?  They haven't really done much apart from sending you stupid letters. Breach of GDPR?  It could be argued they knew you had Supremacy of Contact but it's a a long shot. Trespass to your vehicle?  I know someone on the Parking Prankster blog did that but it's one case out of thousands. Surely best to defy them and put the onus on them to sue you.  Make them carry the risk.  And if they finally do - smash them. If you want, I suppose you could have a laugh at the MA's expense.  Tell them about the criminality they have endorsed and give them 24 hours to have your tickets cancelled and have the signs removed - otherwise you will contact the council to start enforcement for breach of planning permission.
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Afternoon all.

 

I am looking for some advice.

 

I have roughly £10k of debt spread over 4 overdrafts 3 credit cards and 2 catalogues.

 

I lost track of all payments trying to keep them afloat and myself.

 

With constant hounding from debt collectors at all times of the day what should i do.

 

I have looked at IVA / Bankrupcy but i don't feel its that out of hand.

 

I have looked at debt management but they all want £500 + start fee (which if i had spare i wouldnt be in this situation) and don't offer to reduce it by much.

 

With 2 defaults and one CCJ im tyring to prevent the rest from getting that bad.

 

Whats my best line of action. Money is tight so im trying to solve it as cheaply as possible. Is there any laws or people i can see to help.

 

I have claimed back charges and PPC (which have credited the accounts) but i am worried its not too long till it gets very out of hand.

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Hi ell

 

Welcome to CAG. you'll get a lot of support here.

 

1. don't pay any company for a DMP. You can get free advice and a DMP through CCS and National Debtline.

 

2. Prepare your own I&E as a self-awareness exercise.

 

3. you can do your own DMP with help from this site, but you need to research other people's experiences.

 

4. A starting point is to list the history of all alleged debts and then start challenging them.

 

This is just an initial response.

 

best wishes

 

vic

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Sequenci............really good info............In the distant past I used CCCS Income & Expenditure form from their online site,you do not have to use CCCS although they can be helpful,DO NOT PAY ANYBODY for DMP as already indicated it is FREE..................good luck...................FS

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Hi,

 

I currently have 39k worth of debt 3 cards and two loans, this has been going on for 3 years and my original debt was 56k. I am fortunate that I have a reasonable job. I cannot give you legal advice but what I can say is acknowledge to yourself that the debt you have is yours and that you are going to deal with it as best you can, Don't worry I did for two years it's not worth it.

Write to your creditors and offer them what you can, use a debt advice web sites income and expenditure form and whatever you do do not leave yourself short with too much to pay as you will continue to struggle.

If you need advice on dealing with nuisance calls I can try and help.

Do not pay anyone to deal with your debt there are plenty of free services available.

 

Most of all keep your sanity its what will get you through this!

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