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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
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I took 10 minutes extra before my Tea break; to prepare my tea, and then I started my tea break, the manager suspended me for that, he said it is a Gross Misconduct.

Do my company have the right to suspended me because of 10 minutes only?

Please can you give me any help?

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Hello there. This sounds quite heavy-handed on the part of your manager. We need to know what the company's disciplinary procedures are to advise you best. Do you have the employee booklet handy at home? If so, please tell us what it says.

 

Have you been told what's going to happen and how long you're suspended for? I take it you're on full pay?

 

Is there any history between you and this manager that you can tell us about?

 

You might also try calling ACAS's confidential helpline, number on their website. It could help you to speak to someone as well as asking us.

 

HB

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I agree it sounds disproportionate. Is there anything else that has been going on either personally against you or within the company generally that may explain this action? I note your tag but what gender are you or is there any form of discrimination going on? Are you in a union, if so what have they said?

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I agree it sounds disproportionate. Is there anything else that has been going on either personally against you or within the company generally that may explain this action? I note your tag but what gender are you or is there any form of discrimination going on? Are you in a union, if so what have they said?

 

And one other question - did you "sign out" for these ten minutes ? Because you were either "at work" or "on break" - what did you say you were doing?

 

Must observe - it has to be the longest preparation time for a cup of tea I've seen in a while - was this some form of Japanese tea ceremony you were doing?

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I take exception to that, Elpulpo, as a wimpy southerner :). Is strong Yorkshire tea the reason you can't control your avatar's tentacles?

 

How are your own problems, btw

 

My best, HB

I'm in perfect control of my tentacle(s), I'll have you know.

My problems are resolved. The professional ones anyway.

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The disciplinary procedure

Oral warning

First written warning

Final written warning

Dismissal

I know why he did that they do not like me in the company because I always complain about the supervisor. I am a pain in the .... For them.

I work full time, same time in the office and same time on street,

That day I was on street I stopped to buy tea from somewhere there was long queue I waited when I got me tea I put sugar then I logged break, I spent ten minutes waiting for the tea.

I am clean I do not have any warning at all, for seven years I never had any warning.

The manger does not like me at all, his action was clear to me he wants to get rid of me; he gave me 2 weeks suspension.

I have a union I am going to see them; they said they will came with to hearing.

 

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And one other question - did you "sign out" for these ten minutes ? Because you were either "at work" or "on break" - what did you say you were doing?

 

Must observe - it has to be the longest preparation time for a cup of tea I've seen in a while - was this some form of Japanese tea ceremony you were doing?

 

I will never drink tea again

I was in the queue

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To answer your question – YES

 

Your manager has every right to suspend you; Your manager is right to deem your conduct as gross miss-conduct. The reason I say this is because you are paid to work.

 

I assume your 10 minute break is a paid break and forms part of your terms and conditions and as such you only take 10 minutes. In this instance you took 20 minutes.

 

You state your company employ 700 staff, if all took an extra 10 minutes your company would lose a substantial amount of working time.

 

It would be very unlikley you would face dismissal for a first offence in 7 years. If I were you I would approach your disciplinary with remorse, if you know of anybody else who has had a similar discipline for the same offence you should also be given the same disciplinary sanction.

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I agree with the remorse comment from Colin, no point trying to justify it I don't think.

 

One question though : how did they know what you were doing if you weren't on the company premises? I'm a bit confused about the street thing.

 

And one comment. The disc procedure you posted doesn't cover gross misconduct and what would constitute GM in your company. Does your document have anything else please?

 

HB

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Proper Yorkshire tea takes that long to brew.

You're obviously a lightweight southerner, SarEl.

 

And I take exception to that! I only set foot in the South for tribunals and EAT's! But I don't drink tea! Does one have to stand and watch it for ten minutes?

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I think claiming this is gross misconduct would be OTT, but I have to agree - which is the point I was getting to with my original questions - if you were supposed to be at work and not on break, then I am afraid you were supposed to be at work and not on break. It's no differnt than claiming you took 30 minutes lunch and actually took an hour. Not the sort of big difference that some of us might worry about, but the fact is that your manager is technically in the right, and that's all that matters. It's generally a case of, if you've ****ed of the manager, don't give them any excuses - something most union reps (who often **** off managers) will be able to explain as a concept!

 

BTW Hunneybee - been PM-ing you and somebody hasn't emptied their inbox! I keep getting "box full bounces"!!!!

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And I take exception to that! I only set foot in the South for tribunals and EAT's! But I don't drink tea! Does one have to stand and watch it for ten minutes?

Yes. Signed Elpulpo. A Yorkshireman. Now residing in Devon :oops:

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I think claiming this is gross misconduct would be OTT, but I have to agree - which is the point I was getting to with my original questions - if you were supposed to be at work and not on break, then I am afraid you were supposed to be at work and not on break. It's no differnt than claiming you took 30 minutes lunch and actually took an hour. Not the sort of big difference that some of us might worry about, but the fact is that your manager is technically in the right, and that's all that matters. It's generally a case of, if you've ****ed of the manager, don't give them any excuses - something most union reps (who often **** off managers) will be able to explain as a concept!

 

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What do you mean ( claiming this is gross misconduct would be OTT )

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The union told me that they cannot dismiss me because of those ten minutes it is impossible, they should give me warning because I do not commit any offences.

They said that cannot be gross misconduct, if the manger wants he can deduct the 10 minutes from my time.

Even I asked the citizen advice bureau, they agreed with the union.

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