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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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No the amount will have 8% interest added annualy.

 

Yes a f&f can be offered at anytime but obviously it is up tp them whether to accept it or not.

 

One other thing is with you owning your home is they may be granted an inhibition order. This means that if at anytime you wish to sell your home, they would be granted payment from the sol/lawyer at time of sale - this only last 5 years so after 5 years they either need to repply for it or it drops off.

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Hi,

 

I am at the end of a 3 year battle with NR - if you are not strong go straight to an IVA.

 

If you are willing to ' put a bit of effort into it'. Go straight through the courts for a time to pay order 1974 CCA s 129- simple.

 

Except the NR do not like providing CORRECT statements of accounts under S77 1974,2006 Consumer Act (get reading loads on BIS and Ministry of Justice and hms court service).

 

If the account is not stiputed then its Fastrak and the most is £500 costs. NR rock do not want a disputed claim so they say they are in dialogue, which is great then they can not charge for their extra costs their solicitors incur. It is always possible post judgement to complain to the court and SRA and FOS.

 

Up to you - worth the stuggle or take the easy road, Even if you go for a IVA, and have property, if there is not too much equity you can stilll keep it.

 

Let me know how you gert on, Kindest Christian

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You might as well declare your self Bankrupt rather than be tied to an IVA, IVA's are a very very last resort, after you have had plastic surgery changed your name and moved to the costa del sol!

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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I am in the middle of filling out the necessary forms (i.e. time to pay order), one thing puzzles me slightly that any help would be appreciated...

 

There seems to be two forms to fill in with almost the same information, one is headed "Application for a tme to pay direction under the debtors (Scotland) act 1987" and the other is headed "Application for a time order under the Consumer Credit act 1974".

 

Do I fill them both in with the same information?

 

The other thing that concerns me a bit is, the amount I can afford means that the debt is going to take approximately 20 years to repay, if I'm being fair to other creditors. Might this be considered just too long to be reasonable?

 

Sorry if these questions seem stupid but I've never even seen the inside of a court before never mind actually participated so I'm a little nervous.

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Time to pay order is to pay in installments/ lump sum

 

time order is to continue with the loan etc but over longer periods etc

 

you only fill in the time to pay order, what i would suggest is to attach a more detailed i and e

 

Budget Sheet.xls

 

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Well, that's it done. I've completed the time to pay order form and included a copy of the agreement (a copy of the one they sent me after a CCA request) and an i&e budget sheet.

 

I asked the court clerk what happens next and he basically said it gets sent back to the solicitors and they either say "ok" in which case I pay what said I could afford or "no" in which case there is a hearing. I'm actually glad it's sort of out of my hands now. I just hope the clerk actually processes the form because I didn't get ay sort of receipt or anything which I thought was a bit odd, is that normal?

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Just Time to pay under the CCA regulations.

"Application for a time order under the Consumer Credit act 1974".1. Ensure you put in financial statement of in and outgoings.2. Make sure NRAM have the correct amount due - very bad at doing this. and 3. keep all your paper work.4. If it is going to take you 20 years to pay, then an IVA is the best route and Payplan or cssc are the best to do it for you. If it on a mortgage, then there are government schemes to keep you in your home and NR should tell you about them.5. Well right to be nervous - NRAM pull out all the guns and use highly paid counsel to cloud the issue for the Judge.6. After win - TTP order extended the time to pay by 3 years, not perfect, but got all the costs for the claimant removed.Never mind about asking me anything. Bcg.Just read your last post : ALWAYS keep a receipt of the court taking your info - just ask them. If it comes to a ttp and you are required to put in a court bundle, then always get a receipt.

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The account is not a mortgage, just an unsecured loan. To be honest, I'm not expecting the solicitors to accept the time to pay offer, they seem the type just to litigate no matter what, I can certainly prove at a hearing that the income and expenditure is legitimate and reasonable.

 

I don't really want to go down the IVA route to be frank, I do see it as a last, LAST resort but I guess if NR really push down that road it may be unavoidable, although they would get far less money so I don't see why they would.

 

Anyway, still waiting for their response to my TTP offer.

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Greed Chat, if they push for an IVA you may as well go BR, IVA's are no better and will drag on meaning you will end up paying more, so BR will be your trump card if NR (which is our bank) continue to play you for a fool. It won't come to that anyhow.

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Erm, yes, it seems you could be right in that have a read, but I seriously doubt it will come to that..

http://www.insolvencyhelpline.co.uk/bankruptcy/disadvantages-of-bankruptcy.php

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Well, I was right, got this through the post this morning...

 

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They have objected to the time-to-pay order. I really don't know what to do next, the hearing is next wednesday which doesn't give me a lot of time to get all my ducks in a row.

 

Does anybody have any advice on what to take to court, what is expected of me, what are the creditors likely to do or say?...any advice at all really.

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Well KEEP CALM.

 

You have your application, how much you owe and your financial statement. Some faith and that is all you need.

 

Do not say too much. Let the Judge do all the talking. Answer his questions simply.

 

If you agree with NRAM how much you owe there should be no problem. The courts have a duty NOT to allow the claimant to over charge on costs - its CPR Objective 1 - go to hms court service online and look it up.

 

NRAM are really difficult, you just have to patiently move forward.

 

Do not let NRAM claim for any costs!! Reply if necessary that your reason for a TTP order is because you want to spend as much money as you can on repaying your debts. Believe me, they will try it on.

 

Even if you do not agree at that moment what the Judge says - let it go - with TTP you can always go back at a later stage. ( DO NOT SIGN A TOMLIN ORDER IF NR ever offer one -)

 

I have my TTP last Friday - I did not agree with all the Judge said, but to appeal is extremely difficult and I always have a chance to return at a later date.. mind you for the moment I am keeping really silent on the subject as the Judge removed £30,000 plus of NRAM costs.

 

I have 5 TTP Orders now, and things should begin to return to normal.

 

Be kind and let me know how you get on. Shalom. Peace.bcg

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Well KEEP CALM.

 

You have your application, how much you owe and your financial statement. Some faith and that is all you need.

 

Do not say too much. Let the Judge do all the talking. Answer his questions simply.

 

If you agree with NRAM how much you owe there should be no problem. The courts have a duty NOT to allow the claimant to over charge on costs - its CPR Objective 1 - go to hms court service online and look it up.

 

NRAM are really difficult, you just have to patiently move forward.

 

Do not let NRAM claim for any costs!! Reply if necessary that your reason for a TTP order is because you want to spend as much money as you can on repaying your debts. Believe me, they will try it on.

 

Even if you do not agree at that moment what the Judge says - let it go - with TTP you can always go back at a later stage. ( DO NOT SIGN A TOMLIN ORDER IF NR ever offer one -)

 

I have my TTP last Friday - I did not agree with all the Judge said, but to appeal is extremely difficult and I always have a chance to return at a later date.. mind you for the moment I am keeping really silent on the subject as the Judge removed £30,000 plus of NRAM costs.

 

I have 5 TTP Orders now, and things should begin to return to normal.

 

Be kind and let me know how you get on. Shalom. Peace.bcg

 

Ok, thanks for the reply, a couple of questions if I may...

 

I don't think Tomlin orders apply in Scotland but I could be wrong, what are the ramifications of such an order if I'm wrong about not applying here?

 

How do I stop NRAM applying for costs? surely if the judge thinks it's ok to add them I just have to accept it.

 

Do I face questions from NRAM solicitors or is it all through the sheriff?

 

Do I have to bring proof of everything on my i&e sheet? I hope not because I can't. I never kept some receipts, I never even got receipts for things like afterschool clubs etc where I paid cash.

 

PS DO NOT LET NRAM APPLY FOR A CHARGING ORDER ON ANY PROPERTY YOU HAVE.

 

The GOOD thing about the TTP order is that it is not a Judgement, so you will not have a CCJ, although it will show up that you are in arrears on your credit file.

 

Can they apply for a charging order? I thought that only happened if you defaulted on a CCJ.

 

I can honestly say (and I'm not in the slightest bit embarrassed to say this) but I don't give a flying stuff about my credit file. It's a long time dead as far as I'm concerned.

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Shameless bump.

 

The thing I'm most unsure about is what to take to court. Do I have to bring pages and pages of evidence of income and expenditure or is the fact that I signed the time-to-pay application form as true and accurate enough? Any other hints and tips about what to expect?

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Can anybody help?

 

Please, just a quick piece of advice about what I HAVE to bring to court (if anything). And possibly if someone could help me understand what fair costs are (if any) for NRAM solicitors to claim, how can I fight it?

 

BCG's posts were a help but threw up more questions than answers. :)

 

Please help.

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Hello there.

 

I've only just found your thread. I would like to point out that much of the advice given on your thread is incorrect if you're living in Scotland. You are right that a Charging Order is only available for debts registered as CCJ's (e.g. England & Wales).

 

How much debt do you have in total?

How many creditors are there?

How much equity is there?

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re the court hearing - please do and try and attend taking a copy of your income and expenditure and any copies of any letters you have sent to try and make an arrangment to pay to show your a willing to pay what you can afford.

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Hello there.

 

I've only just found your thread. I would like to point out that much of the advice given on your thread is incorrect if you're living in Scotland. You are right that a Charging Order is only available for debts registered as CCJ's (e.g. England & Wales).

 

How much debt do you have in total?

How many creditors are there?

How much equity is there?

 

Total debt is just over 20,000

11 creditors (although only 5 of any note, the others are for small amounts.)

Not sure about equity, about 19,000-20,000...maybe, market conditions aren't the best at the moment.

 

re the court hearing - please do and try and attend taking a copy of your income and expenditure and any copies of any letters you have sent to try and make an arrangment to pay to show your a willing to pay what you can afford.

 

Thanks Ida, I suppose I'm worrying over nothing really but as I'm self employed, proving my income is not quite so easy as simply handing over a buch of pay slips. I could show accounts going back to the time I realised I was in fincial difficulties I suppose. I am concerned that the solicitors will start assuming I can start earning more and more, which is unfortunately not realistic.

 

Is it worth bringing letters from other creditors showing they have accepted my payment plans?

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Just an update in case anyone is interested.

 

I reached an agreement with the solicitor representing Northern Rock just before the hearing. The same offer that was already on the table before the hearing, the same offer based on the budget sheet I'd brought with me, the same offer on a pro rata basis that the other creditors got, makes you wonder exactly what the point was but hey, there you go.

 

What was an eye opener is how much more formal these hearings are in Scotland, the sheriff is there wig and all, presiding over multiple solicitors, all in their gowns and all in front of a public gallery.

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I'd be inclined to complain about NR and their time wasting throughout all of this! If you have made the same offer all along, which they have refused all along, then suddenly they take it to this stage and are suddenly accepting of it? Then there is clearly some abuse of process here? It would definitely merit questioning...

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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