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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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My car tax expired Nov 09. I forgot to renew it until I realised in February 2010.

 

I then renewed it online but it was only backdated until 1st of Feb, so I was unlicensed for 2 months.

 

In March I received a notification that I'd been caught in Feb driving by one of those dvla roadside cameras and they requested a I pay £110 (or so).

 

It was a particularly stressful time, and I forgot all about it, until this morning when I received a magistrates court summons.

 

I realise it's my own daft fault and should have renewed the tax on time, and should have paid the fine, but it was a stressful time (divorce/child custody issues/money problems) and I'd be having a good day if I could remember my kids names, let alone my car tax.

 

I'm worried about getting a massive fine which I can't afford, can you advise what I should do? please guilty and provide mitigating circumstances? Would a magistrate be lenient?

 

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If you have the cash to hand, you could always speak to the court and see if you could pay it before the date of the hearing, thus avoiding stress for yourself and also freeing up court time.

 

I am not too sure if they will add additional charges on, but if you are not in a position to pay in full, at least if you go to court you can ask to pay your fine by installments.

 

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is there a letter allowing you to plea by post, or are they asking you to attend ?

 

If you can plea by post, then do. The court can deal with it quicker, the costs will be less.

 

Either way, they will ask that you pay the back tax, order you to pay court costs (i think it is either £50 or £75), and they will fine you according to your income. For no tax between 1 and 3 months, it is what is classed as a band A fine, and you will be fined anywhere between £50 and £170 fine depending on your income.

 

They will automatically issue a collections order, but if you cant pay immediately then tell the court. they have the discretion to allow you to pay at a minimum of £5.00 per week if they want to. However, if you dont pay your fines, a warrant will be issued for your arrest

 

Good luck and I hope it goes ok for you x

Any advice I give, is given with the best intention of helping. I am not legally trained, so it is probably best to just ignore me;)

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is there a letter allowing you to plea by post, or are they asking you to attend ?

 

If you can plea by post, then do. The court can deal with it quicker, the costs will be less.

 

Either way, they will ask that you pay the back tax, order you to pay court costs (i think it is either £50 or £75), and they will fine you according to your income. For no tax between 1 and 3 months, it is what is classed as a band A fine, and you will be fined anywhere between £50 and £170 fine depending on your income.

 

They will automatically issue a collections order, but if you cant pay immediately then tell the court. they have the discretion to allow you to pay at a minimum of £5.00 per week if they want to. However, if you dont pay your fines, a warrant will be issued for your arrest

 

Good luck and I hope it goes ok for you x

 

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If you pay it, you're admitting guilt as the crooks at the DVLA see it and they'll latch onto you like vulchers. If this fine is for an unlicensed vehicle on the public highway, after you've "admitted" that by paying, there'll be another fine shortly after and another fine a couple of months later for failure to relicense and as much as they can possibly take you for on this and everything possibly associated with it they you may have done. Be a man and defend yourself in court, in truth even if a judge does rule to fine you it will no doubt be for less than the DVLA will try and leach off you so you have nothing to lose. Be optimistic with the judge rulings that the DVLA have been acting unlawfully.

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If you pay it, you're admitting guilt as the crooks at the DVLA see it and they'll latch onto you like vulchers. If this fine is for an unlicensed vehicle on the public highway, after you've "admitted" that by paying, there'll be another fine shortly after and another fine a couple of months later for failure to relicense and as much as they can possibly take you for on this and everything possibly associated with it they you may have done. Be a man and defend yourself in court, in truth even if a judge does rule to fine you it will no doubt be for less than the DVLA will try and leach off you so you have nothing to lose. Be optimistic with the judge rulings that the DVLA have been acting unlawfully.

 

 

Your talking twaddle.

 

Firstly if you plead at the earliest opportunity, the court costs are always less than if you do it later or not at all

 

secondly, there is only one offence on record, and the OP has now got their tax

 

Thirdly, there is no judge, this would be magistrates court

Any advice I give, is given with the best intention of helping. I am not legally trained, so it is probably best to just ignore me;)

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Your talking twaddle.

 

Firstly if you plead at the earliest opportunity, the court costs are always less than if you do it later or not at all

 

secondly, there is only one offence on record, and the OP has now got their tax

 

Thirdly, there is no judge, this would be magistrates court

 

Try to know what you're talking about. The DVLA pull this time and time again and there's stories of it everywhere. It's another one of their scams you receive the first fine for being seen unlicensed on the public highway and think "Oh, only £110..." and pay it. That in their eyes admits guilt so another fine comes along, either for failure to relicense/breaking Sorn/surety whatever and this fine is 3 or more times the last one. Then a couple of months later the next fine turns up and this is for your offence under the many acts they love to quite to and time again, and this one ranges anywhere between £500-£5000.

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Try to know what you're talking about. The DVLA pull this time and time again and there's stories of it everywhere. It's another one of their scams you receive the first fine for being seen unlicensed on the public highway and think "Oh, only £110..." and pay it. That in their eyes admits guilt so another fine comes along, either for failure to relicense/breaking Sorn/surety whatever and this fine is 3 or more times the last one. Then a couple of months later the next fine turns up and this is for your offence under the many acts they love to quite to and time again, and this one ranges anywhere between £500-£5000.

 

It's not a [problem], it's all in the Vehicles Excise & Registration Act 1994.

What the OP is facing if he pleads guilty is:

Keeping or using an unlicensed vehicle on a public road - s.29. (variable fine at court - 1/3 discount for early guilty plea)

An additional liability for the unpaid duty - s.30. (2 months - Dec + Jan)

A Late Licensing Penalty - s.32 (usually £80, reduced to £40 for prompt payment)

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It's not a [problem], it's all in the Vehicles Excise & Registration Act 1994.

 

Just because it is in an Act doesn't mean it's not a [problem]. it just happens to be a legalised one!

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If you pay it, you're admitting guilt as the crooks at the DVLA see it and they'll latch onto you like vulchers. If this fine is for an unlicensed vehicle on the public highway, after you've "admitted" that by paying, there'll be another fine shortly after and another fine a couple of months later for failure to relicense and as much as they can possibly take you for on this and everything possibly associated with it they you may have done. Be a man and defend yourself in court, in truth even if a judge does rule to fine you it will no doubt be for less than the DVLA will try and leach off you so you have nothing to lose. Be optimistic with the judge rulings that the DVLA have been acting unlawfully.

 

Absolute rubbish. You clearly do not know what you are talking about in this specific case.

 

The DVLA will have the evidence that the vehicle was on the public highway ie the roadside camera. I would recommend paying the fine before the court date if you are in a financial position to do so. If not you will be able to make an arrangement with the courts to pay the fine in installments.

 

To defend yourself in court you need a defence. If the vehicle was on the public road untaxed that is an offence. Admitting guilt to this oversight and taxing your vehicle after the date in question will not then make you fair game for a a sackfull of other fines!!

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Here's my quick story: Purchased car this year (lets say on the Saturday) had no log book, mot or car tax. Sent off for the log book ON the Saturday paying £25 fee to DVLA (for a bit of paper).

Insured the car ON the Saturday, Mot the car ON the Monday (pass).

Tuesday went to post office to tax car with relevant paper work, EEEEEEERRRRRRR no can do.

Went on DVLA internet site same night EEEEEEEERRRRRR try again.

Went to DVLA office on the Wednesday only to be told you cant tax YOUR car without the log book... but wait for it......... it will take 6 WEEKS!!!!!

So in the mean time had a car ready to go that i couldn't drive, MESSED UP!

 

6 weeks later gets the log book to tax car, taxed the car for 6 months at £134 losing out on the rest of the month as it was at the end of the month that i taxed.

 

8 weeks later or so gets a letter from DVLA for UNLICENSED car TAX (are you taking the P**S or what!)

 

Letters are exchanged back and forth for 2 weeks or so, now im just waiting for them to summons me to court to which they can kiss my ASS as i wont be pleading guilty to NOTHING!!!

 

You can fine me as much as you want i will go to the papers that i can promised. I am sick to death of F-ING crooked legalized legislation that gives the right to the DVLA take money off harding working TAX paying people!!!

 

Keep posted i will be in touch people!!!

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Here's my quick story: Purchased car this year (lets say on the Saturday) had no log book, mot or car tax.

 

You should have been given the green new keeper supplement (part of the old keeper's V5C) when you bought the car, and used that to licence the car.

 

Raykay, it would seem there was no V5C (logbook) available/supplied at the time of the purchase.

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Correct CREM there was no Log book/green supplement supplied for me to TAX the car.

 

I have a recent letter from DVLA stating they are going to take me to court. No doubt that i will have a bigger fine than the £92.00 which is imposed at the moment, because thats how the courts operate they will protect the DVLA as it forms part of the government.

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