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    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.   Is this all there is? Its less than the Tory candidate. - shut up and smile while they get a camera angle that looks better
    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue –  29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM 1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached  2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00. The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month. 3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement, Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us. 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If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate 4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:- a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement  number xxxxxx. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     The total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by First class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges 5.  At the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage. Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024  What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg  
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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Quick update received a mail back from them still insisting they can dip into my accountthey will find getting any money very hard as transferred what is in there now to another acct and only put back when making a payment for bills any left gets transferred back straight away to different acct.

Wonga still insisting they are right and I am wrong and only offered a sorry yeah right for the mail . Local paper very interested in me also and are coming back to me as the story has a double whammy to it implicating another company who were the ones that caused me to leave my job but thats nothing to do with debt. also told WOnga that I will be pushing for compensation for the vile E mail sent (the reporter was extremely shocked)

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Word of caution regarding Wonga dippuing into the bank accoutn if you have not cancellked the Direct Debit Mandate and informed your bank of the same in writing and warning the Bank this DD is not be re-instated at all. You could end up with charges for an unpaid DD if there is not enough money in that account. Please make sure you havedefinitely closed this loophole.

 

Perhaps a bit of publicity exposing Wonga's practises will alter others to this problem. Will the email be published? Or just the wording of the same?

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They do not use DDs, they use the same way when you are paying someone over the phone, do not know what you call that.

 

I had the same situation with them when I banked with the Co-op, whenever there are money in the account they "sneaked" out a series of £10.00 payments. Co-op said they cannot prevent that and that I have to discuss it with them (Wonga). I did reverse all those payments and it didn't cost me anything.

 

It did render the account useless and I had to switch banks.

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It is a form of Direct Debit Mandate,only difference is you haven't signed the Mandate, I think it is in the forms they send you to sign when you get the loan. Same rules apply.

 

The banks say they can't do anything about it, BUT THEY CAN. You have just got insist and put in writing in to them, that if any payments go without you instructing the bank, they are held responsible. Been there and done it.

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update today I actually spoke to one of their "HEAD OF COMPLAINTS" people, who was not in the bit interested in the complaint I had but all he wanted was repayment plan refused to freeze my account now over 100 worse than it was 2 weeks ago I made offer for a token payment as I am now unemployed and he refused wanted my life history in writing etc including when I was made unemployed and why NO BUSINESS OF HIS, yet he claimed everything was his buisiness. I started to tell him about the compaint about the guidelines but very uninterested when I also mentioned to him about the banned advert (which he claimed was not banned but had run its course, YEAH RIGHT) when I offered to point out the site containing all the information, he decided then would be a good time to terminate the call.

 

If this so called head of complaints, ALAN is looking in, be prepared for a very long battle, you have my sympathy as I am very stubborn and know my rights, hope your dinner was cold as I kept you a whole 15 minutes longer than your so called business hours

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It should have dawned by now that Wonga aren't interested in anything you have to say, they just want your money. You are wasting time by trying to communicate with them, jut leave it in the hands of TS/OFT/FOS. You have complained to them haven't you?

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all 3 but they are uninterested. been to CAB conusmer direct TS just told me to go speak to deb councelling. all as useful as a chocolate fireguard. Even on the phone he was trying to twist my words and lie I only called as he left a message saying that he needd to discuss the guidelines with me LIES he even denied he even said that I still have the voicemail ( when I started of mentioning the faults especailly the threatening mailsThe numpty said they needed to send these as they were necisarry one point he thaught I slammed the phone down (only the cat blooming knocking something over) I also tols him why in the mail they said they can send someone round to assesss my assets due to poss legal action he refused to answer when I advised that it was abuse of powers refused to answer , The best one was telling me the ad had run its course and was never banned when confroonted when I asked would he like to hear what the asa said he said not speaking anymore and slammed the phone down on me.

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Good on you for sticking up to your rights. This lot phoned me on a mobile when I was in France and told me that I couldn't afford a holiday as I had to make them my priority, they then took money from my bank account and I ended up getting Trading Standards onto them.... they didn't do much so Wonga tried to get Marstons to send a bailiff round, that failed and I ended up paying them back what I legitimately owed in MY timeframe, which was two months later (minus the amount they took on the 'wrong' day).

 

Companies who operate in this way should have much tighter legislation and have independent observers in their offices on 'collection' days. However as I suspect most of their people are 'outsourced home workers' then that would be difficult.

 

Let us know about any publicity and what happens next.

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will do on the publicity side a lot of places seem to just suck through thier teeth and unwilling to get involved. I have e mailed watchdog but as yet no replies and what I owe then was originally only 125ish now seems to have gond up in a little over 2 weeks tl nye on 240 quid when discussing with my poor sweet long suffering partner he agrees when I said they will add on inerest until it gets to a level where they think they can make you bankrupt try that route (as I am a homeowner with equity) take the property and sell it on for an expobident price and pocket this.

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I have seen posts which states that Provident do not take any cases to court because Judges frown at their interest rate. These guys make Provident looks like the Good Samaritan, wonder what they think the Judge will say abot their interest rates?

 

I think it is safe to assume they will never go to court anyway.

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However as I suspect most of their people are 'outsourced home workers' then that would be difficult.

 

Good point! I only phoned them once when I went on a DMP and needed my account number. They asked me why I need my account number (thought it was a daft question anyway) and they put me through to someone with the name Angelina, if I remember correctly. There was a lot of background noise and she said please wait a minute, it sounds that she was sending a dog into the back garden, and I thought are they a family running this from home?

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Separate requests with a fee should be made to ALL relevant Data Controllers in an organisation. - Jayne Sheenan – HSBC

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Our t&c's overrides ICO guidelines when reporting to CRA's - Karon A Bullock - Capital One

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I wish they would take me to court funnily enough that way at least I could produce all my evidence direct to them and watch them squirm and try and wriggle out of it that way but as you say chances of that are 0 to absolutly 0

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I had a battle with Provident on behalf of my ex girlfriend. Invited them to take her to court, and they went quiet for 2 years. Provident charge about 500% interest and it's well known they won't go to court, as the few times they did try, the judge dismissed their claim due to the interest rate being excessive and unfair. So Wonga deffo won't set foot in a court room charging over 2000% Especially if you revealed Wonga's view of the law in that email they sent you. ;)

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even better been doing my calulations on what they have taken out the bank and i should owe them the grand sum of only 27.00 working out on what I owe them rest is all illegal fee interest etc added to this account I only took out 400 + thier interest for this it should be only 450.00 paid 422.81 so I barely owe them anything and yet now my account now stands at 3 weeks of arguing with them just over 240.00 no wonder they are reluctant o do anything

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I Haven't read this post and sorry to hijack but when will the government grow a spine and stop **** like wonga operating.

 

APR IS 2689%

 

HELLO IS ANYBODY LISTENING 2689%

We live in an unmoderated country why should the net be any different?

Bring back free speech we miss it!

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best thing to do is go read the thread as I am attempting to get this outfit done good and proper mostly over the breakages of guidelines youll ge a better insight of whats actually going on (no offence just better to go through the thread to gain a better understanding thats all) they have already had thier excruciating ad banned by the asa and I am about to E mail them telling them to take me to court dont think they will as its known time and time again its been thrown out due to just that the illegal interest rates as everyone says they are no more than legalised loan sharks.

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scarey LOL try the mails they sent me if they had thier own way Id be jailed for 10 years have a bailiff over spit roast my kitty (sorry couldnt resist last bit) if they did send anyone over they risk being jumped on b y my cat, deafened by her purring padded into unconsiousness then drowned in a sea of drool :D

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took out a wonga loan end of december 2009, only £125. i emailed them about not being able to make a payment on a given date and asked if it could be changed to the following week. no reply....they tried for the money...no joy.....emails telling me i was in arrears....sent them emails but got the usual phone us email (sorry i dont speak Chimp!)....about 3 weeks later an email telling me my new debt was 300 odd...what the ? replied via email and post...no joy and heard nothing since end of jan...hate to think what my new balance is, probably a 4figure sum now....oh well bring the monkeys on!

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just got my old card cancelled awaiting for a new one now so they cant touch my acct they can blustr all they want wont get them anywhere they cant even bother to try nd sort hings or deal with my complaint.

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