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    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
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    • Yes, it was, but in practice we've found time after time that judges will not rule against PPCs solely on the lack of PP.  They should - but they don't.  We include illegal signage in WSs, but more as a tactic to show the PPC up as spvis rather than in the hope that the judge will act on that one point alone. But sue them for what?  They haven't really done much apart from sending you stupid letters. Breach of GDPR?  It could be argued they knew you had Supremacy of Contact but it's a a long shot. Trespass to your vehicle?  I know someone on the Parking Prankster blog did that but it's one case out of thousands. Surely best to defy them and put the onus on them to sue you.  Make them carry the risk.  And if they finally do - smash them. If you want, I suppose you could have a laugh at the MA's expense.  Tell them about the criminality they have endorsed and give them 24 hours to have your tickets cancelled and have the signs removed - otherwise you will contact the council to start enforcement for breach of planning permission.
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:eek: !!! is this a prescribed term for inclusion on the naughty step .......

 

 

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Absolutely. It must not simply be referred to in attached T&C's.

Foolishgirl...

I had an Imac, an icy white vision of techie lovelyness. I was so proud of it..but kept sneaking back on to my old Windows PC to do my work. Then I installed Windows on the Mac, but it still wasn't the same..

Sold it to a macaholic and bought a new PC

I love macs and the idea of them, but just couldn't get along with them, sadly. For one thing, the mouse action always seemed laggy to me, compared to windows, despite everything I tried. I noticed this on the demo machines in the shop too.

 

Vince..keep going hon, you're nearly here..mind the cat

Angel...hope you're feeling better, seems to be the flu/gastro season. Bring on the sun!!!

Has anyone seen Lexis lately, I've created a special super naughty step just for her..it's a posh one with velvet cushions and a monogam...

 

Elsa xx

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Foolishgirl...

I had an Imac, an icy white vision of techie lovelyness. I was so proud of it..but kept sneaking back on to my old Windows PC to do my work. Then I installed Windows on the Mac, but it still wasn't the same..

Sold it to a macaholic and bought a new PC

I love macs and the idea of them, but just couldn't get along with them, sadly.

 

Thanks for that Elsa, makes me feel so much better, I thought it was just me! And the fact that I used to program main frames for a living makes me feel even more incompetent with this minor miracle of modern technology. :mad:

My DD persuaded me to change to Mac as she absolutely adores hers & you're right, it does look wonderfully sexy. Unfortunately for me it fires blanks :D

 

Think I might find it a good home with someone who appreciates its dubious virtues...

 

Maybe if I left it on the naughty step someone would pick up - or would they just trip over it?

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Absolutely. It must not simply be referred to in attached T&C's.

Foolishgirl...

I had an Imac, an icy white vision of techie lovelyness. I was so proud of it..but kept sneaking back on to my old Windows PC to do my work. Then I installed Windows on the Mac, but it still wasn't the same..

Sold it to a macaholic and bought a new PC

I love macs and the idea of them, but just couldn't get along with them, sadly. For one thing, the mouse action always seemed laggy to me, compared to windows, despite everything I tried. I noticed this on the demo machines in the shop too.

 

Vince..keep going hon, you're nearly here..mind the cat

Angel...hope you're feeling better, seems to be the flu/gastro season. Bring on the sun!!!

Has anyone seen Lexis lately, I've created a special super naughty step just for her..it's a posh one with velvet cushions and a monogam...

 

Elsa xx

Sorry Elsa, had to turn back, forgot the incontinence bag.

 

I will try another assault on the stairs later.

 

No sign of Lexis.

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You're right Vint, I have got even posherer since last time wot I was on:D

 

dd - get off my monogrammed cushion!!!

 

I only got your pm today Elsa, and obviously I rushed straight over here to see why you'd all been so naughty, and found you're all even more mental than you used to be:D

 

Oh bl**dy hell, I've just noticed it's school run time and I have to go again:rolleyes:

 

Back later (well probably tomorrow now actually):)

 

ps - nice to see everyone again! xx

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Fruit flies like a banana.

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Oh bl**dy hell, I've just noticed it's school run time and I have to go again:rolleyes:

 

 

Oh now you need 2 x naughty steps all to yourself - one for the bad language & one for being late!!

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hello all again

 

crickey only away a couple of days and you lot have gassed for england, mind you im learning all about my lovely new toy my pc is awesome, cant believe its so fast, :lol:

 

im feeling heaps better thank you all, and hope the sun comes out soon though, need a top up the tan heheeheh

 

well all i can say if im put on that step i would like a bean bag since lexis got the velvet cushion, i can slouch with the rest of you, LMBO#:p

 

have a fun day off to bed now and no grabbing all the easter eggs before i get into town in the morning guys;)

 

laters angel x

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Oh now you need 2 x naughty steps all to yourself - one for the bad language & one for being late!!

 

And there was me thinking I needed two for my big bum:D

 

Angel, I'm really sorry but I need an egg today - I'll do my best not to take yours;)

 

Elsa - where the heck are you??? Honestly, you get invited to a thread and then the inviter sods off:rolleyes: Get off your rock and come down here!!

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Yawwwwwn, who said that??!!

Aaah there you are Lexis, I was going to put your cushion on Ebay.

Well I've been busy constructing a stannah stairlift to get Vince up on to the naughty step, and crocheting a special cushion for DD so she won't feel left out. Not to mention installing a very posh bar, just for you, you ungrateful hussy!!

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Yawwwwwn, who said that??!!

Aaah there you are Lexis, I was going to put your cushion on Ebay.

Well I've been busy constructing a stannah stairlift to get Vince up on to the naughty step, and crocheting a special cushion for DD so she won't feel left out. Not to mention installing a very posh bar, just for you, you ungrateful hussy!!

:D

 

 

hey Elsa what about my bean bag?:D get one of the 1.00 shop i aint fussy lol

 

have a fun weekend all, catch up tomorrow now

 

laters angel x:razz:

Im happy to help with support and my own thoughts, but if I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action.:)

 

my new motto is,,,",Taking back control of your life and home - such peace is priceless"

 

This is all due to truecall device , have a serious peek at this you will be thankful like I am x laters angel :D

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Angel, I have your beanbag, it's stuffed with duck down and it's purple suede. I took a guess on your favourite colour. am I near?

 

Well folks, I've spent Easter weekend cleaning up duckling poop.

Anyone done anything more interesting?

Elsa x

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Yep, can't move!

Are you comfy on the step, Vint? Your tartan blanket all tucked in?

It's steamed fish in white gloopy sauce for lunch for you so make sure your choppers are glued in properly :D

Wonderfull Elsa, Just need to get my teeth off of Matron.

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