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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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:arrow: Consent Orders

 

Tomlin Orders

9.16 Where proceedings are to be stayed on agreed terms to be scheduled to the order, the draft order should be drawn so as to read, with any appropriate provision in respect of costs, as follows:

"And the parties having agreed to the terms set out in the attached schedule

IT IS BY CONSENT ORDERED

That all further proceedings in this claim be stayed except for the purpose of carrying such terms into effect

AND for that purpose the parties have permission to apply".

 

This form of order is called a "Tomlin Order".

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Hope that makes some sense!! But maybe one of the legal eagles can turn it into English :shock:

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It is an order which is signed by the judge and which records a deal which has been made by the parties to settle the dispute.

 

Basically there are somethings which the court has no powere to order - such a confidentiality agreement.

The parties might agree to settle the dispute with a payment of some money and an agreement to drop the court case but that it must all remain confidential.

 

The parties would draw up the agreement and then put it before the judge who wold stamp it as aproved. It then becomes binding on the parties a a kind of contract.

I amm pleased to say that the Tomlin order you refer to did not contain a confidentiality agreement. It did contain a requirement that the Nationwide take steps to cleanse the credit register and the Nationwide did agree to pay Disneyman over £600 whereas it was orginally the Nationwide which was claiming £2500 from him.

It was quite a good result

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The parties would draw up the agreement and then put it before the judge who would look over it for approval. It then becomes binding on the parties like a contract. Both of you have to sign it, and it may contain a confidentiality clause.

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Tomlin orders are Consent orders, aren't they? I've had Restons trying to get me to settle on one, but they can't as I'm a litigant in person;

 

CPR Part 40.6(2)(b);

 

40.6 (1)This rule applies where all the parties agree the terms in which a judgment should be given or an order should be made.

(2)A court officer may enter and seal (GL) an agreed judgment or order if –

(a)the judgment or order is listed in paragraph (3);

(b)none of the parties is a litigant in person; and

©the approval of the court is not required by these Rules, a practice direction or any enactment before an agreed order can be made.

 

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Thanks for your replies but do we have to sign the order in person and what can we do if its been done without our signature?

Can it be signed on our behalf?:confused:

 

It should be signed by you or someone acting on your behalf, with your knowledge.

 

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i was told by a debt management co. that "tomlin orders" are usually a short length agreement such as six months to a year. also that during the period set the full amount has to be cleared. does anyone know if this is correct? my own circumstances would not allow for the debt to be repaid over such a short time, so if this is the case it would not be worth my trying to form such an agreement. at rates i could afford to offer it would take years rather than months. do you know if this would limit the usefulness of this type of agreement?

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Tomlin orders are Consent orders, aren't they? I've had Restons trying to get me to settle on one, but they can't as I'm a litigant in person;

 

CPR Part 40.6(2)(b);

 

40.6 (1)This rule applies where all the parties agree the terms in which a judgment should be given or an order should be made.

(2)A court officer may enter and seal (GL) an agreed judgment or order if –

(a)the judgment or order is listed in paragraph (3);

(b)none of the parties is a litigant in person; and

©the approval of the court is not required by these Rules, a practice direction or any enactment before an agreed order can be made.

 

So what if it wasnt overseen by a solictor as I am a LiP, and lets say that the docs were not valid due to the claimant having bad / no title to the debt, and that flawed / false / defective documentation was used tyhroughout the case, thus they never had the right to be party to the consent / tomlin (yes you may have guessed who the claimant is - cant say cos its been adjourned) . Am I right in saying that these type of agreements come under mediated contracts and as such cluase 1.73 should apply. there are alsp implications under the misreresentation act 1967.

 

http://www.nadr.co.uk/articles/published/mediation/mediated_agreements.pdf

 

http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?&parentActiveTextDocId=1185735&ActiveTextDocId=1185735

 

Any ideas on the possibility of getting set aside ?

 

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O.K. I've just happened across this thread via a web search...... Firstly,I'd never even heard of ' Tomlin Order' before a certain idiotic DCA sent me one the other day ! Now,given what 'car' has flagged up and given the fact that I'm both a 'Litigant in Person' AND that I most certainly do NOT agree, what's the best way to deal with this 'try on' by the DCA ?? The history behind this is that back in 2008/9 I had my house re-posessed,due to the behaviour of the banksters in general (causing the recession),so,having totally run out of money,I defaulted on a credit card and personal loan from my 'own' bank,plus an overdraft...... I simply walked away from all of them. Now we have this particular DCA (one of the very well known ones),who have bought up the 'debts' for pennies on the pound and are now trying to scare me into paying them the full amount ! That will never happen btw ! They initially put it through the Northapton bulk centre 'courts'...... When I received the 'demand/notice' I replied with a Affidavit,pointing out that it was no business of the courts,plus informing the courts of the game they were playing and that they had no contract with me at all ! The courts wrote back,stating that they had passed the claim back to the DCA. Now they are trying it on again with this sillyness !! Any ideas/ observations anyone ?? * I'm quite prepared to name names if you want me to.....

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Get onto the Ministry of Justice and explain to them that the system is being abused yet again, if you had a claim overtuned by Northampton then they cannot bring a second claim against you in any form (at least to my knowledge) and this is a way of getting round the system.

 

Plus as has been stated you are an LIP so therefore they cannot use this method... are they one who were trying Statutory Demands before?

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Get onto the Ministry of Justice and explain to them that the system is being abused yet again, if you had a claim overtuned by Northampton then they cannot bring a second claim against you in any form (at least to my knowledge) and this is a way of getting round the system.

 

Plus as has been stated you are an LIP so therefore they cannot use this method... are they one who were trying Statutory Demands before?

 

Hi Sillygirl.... Not quite sure that I'm with you here.... When I got the notice from Northampton,I responded with an Affidavit (duly stamped by my local county court) and told them that I knew what they were trying on. Northampton have replied,saying that they have 'passed the paperwork back to the claimant,along with my affidavit. In my affidavit I informed the DCA that I knew that they were 3rd party intervenors and that they had no claim on me ! Also,in my affidavit,I informed them of my 'fee schedule' and that if I had cause to reply to them again,I would be charging them for the priveledge (sp?) ....£500 per letter,£1000 per hour for attending any court or other place of business,£5000 per hour for anything leading to my detention (for the duration). (That's a nice £120000 per day !! lol)...... They have not rebutted my fee schedule,so I take it that they are in agreement.... Maybe hit them with a counter suit ?? Plus,this DCA are now trying to engage me over the personal loan default,which came from the same bank originally...What to do about that ?? However.....Can I get Northampton to take on the case and overturn it at this stage ?? Also,any contact detils for the MoJ ,please ?? As I am a LiP,if Northampton won't take the case on,can I get my local county court to put a stop to it ?? If so,how ?? You ask: ''Are they the ones who were making statutory demands before'' ......I'm not with you here.....can you expand please ?? (I'm a bit slow at the mo'....lol . (That's what comes of working nights !) Oh and the DCA in question begins with an 'M'...... and they have a pet solicitors in the very same building as them !

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I can't help much, it was a suggestion rather than a direction... all I know is I would never sign a Tomlin Order myself, preferring to fight it out in an open court than let them win via the back door.

 

Aah O.K..... I have no intention of signing anything for them ! 2 questions tho',if anyone knows.... 1: Do I have to do anything to stop them gaining default judgement via the 'back door' ? 2: Does my affidavit trump their silly attempts at continuing this farce ?? If anyone can address my previous post,I would be grateful.

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If a tomlin order is in fact a consent order and thus barred under CPR Part 40.6(2)(b); if your a LIP, why are they used by many solicitors and also by judges ?

 

The judge in my instance even offered to do one for the claimant in my case there and then ?

 

Update:

http://www.justice.gov.uk/guidance/courts-and-tribunals/courts/procedure-rules/civil/contents/practice_directions/pd_part40b.htm#IDA4BC2

 

Doesn't 3.1 conflict with 3.4?

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If a tomlin order is in fact a consent order and thus barred under CPR Part 40.6(2)(b); if your a LIP, why are they used by many solicitors and also by judges ?

 

The judge in my instance even offered to do one for the claimant in my case there and then ?

Doesn't 3.1 conflict with 3.4?

 

Hmmm....3.1 certainly does seem to conflict with 3.4 ! However...... That is under the 'consent' section......Which I most certain do NOT !! So I would say that this section has no bearing on my particular case. Anyone got any further observations ??

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Well,this lot are just not getting it,are they ?? This DCA has now gone back to the bulk centre at Northampton and they have sent me a letter / notice,stating that they are moving the case to my local county court !! They have sent me some form to fill in,as 'defendant'...... They want to know 'if' I disagree with the claim and if so,I am supposed to list my reasons for such..... Do you believe the sheer brass neck of these people !!?? Grrr !!

This has arrived,despite me sending a letter/notice direct to the DCA (and their solicitors///in house btw) AND sending them an invoice for my response (£500).and warning them that any further letters/demands from them would be viewed as harassment !

Any suggestions as to how to 'stick it to these idiots,please ?? I have absolutely NO intention of paying them one penny !!

By the way....they have previously sent me copies of the statements for the account in question and in it is a page that shows clear as day that the bank have written off the debt !! Yet this lot are STILL trying to get the money !!

 

Anyone ??

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