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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. 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In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. 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However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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martin 3030 your posts are most interesting and you state above Most contracts will be legally binding and enforceable as soon as they are made. The supplier must deliver the goods or services mentioned in the contract and the customer must pay the purchase price. advent have not kept thier part of the bargain so therefore contract broken we should be entitled to money back under s75.

 

 

Yes section 75 applies in certain circumstances but not in all.

It depends on how payment was made.

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I enquired on the Hitachi thread about what they did that got them to refund apparantly Hitachi said they were accepting their obligations under the cca 1974 and were offering refunds.

That makes me think that BPF are also obligated under the cca1974 just they think that providing Computeach is doing that. It's the arrogance of them that they can just foist this on us and think we'll just go along with it.

Your right Mantaxi the goods and services are not being provided we've got nothing we should be refunded not forced to do what they say I'm sure they can't have that right to dictate

 

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Bluedo I have sent you a pm.

I am very much aware that Barclays are monitoring these threads.

Lets not give them any upper hand.

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Here is some examples from the FOS;

 

issue 62 - insurance case studies

 

 

but the basic criteria is;

 

 

For Section 75 to apply, in the first instance the following four conditions must all be satisfied:

 

  • The cash price of the goods or services bought by the consumer must be over £100 and not more than £30,000.
  • The amount of credit provided to the consumer towards the purchase must not exceed £25,000, and must have been provided to an 'individual' (which includes sole traders, small partnerships and unincorporated businesses, as well as ordinary consumers).
  • The provider of credit must be in the business of lending money, and the credit agreement must have been made in the course of that business.
  • The credit must have been provided to the consumer under pre-existing arrangements between the provider of credit and the supplier of the goods and services.

So all looks ok there.

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I don't see being mis-sold as a flimsy argument, credit is all to easy to come buy. The pressure and techniques used by the salesmen really do not give you a chance to think about it too much. I signed up on fear of not being able to get a place on the course. In addition to this allot of people have only just now discovered this website and are now more aware of their rights, and as such albeit belatedly can exercise their rights.

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You are right Mustard2243.

But the onus is on you to prove mis-selling this is the crux.

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The only route to a refund is that we DID NOT CHOOSE Computeach and therefore should get our money back, however I don't think any judge will give a full refund to someone who has been enrolled on a distance learning course for 12 + months and hasnt even sat an exam yet.....

 

I have been working progressively through my course and I 'was' on track for completing within 3 years, my problem was Advent won me through with the recruitment division they use.

 

I liased regular with them and they did contact me almost weekly with jobs in my area so I do believe this did work. Clearly I knew they would never guarantee me a position but if you keep knocking eventually I would get a job.

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I have had post this morning, but nothing from bpf.

 

You would think they would have sent them last friday and not waste anymore time

 

I got mine on Saturday. Quite surprising really considering they keep addressing my letters to Liverpool when I live in Leeds.

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I got mine on Saturday. Quite surprising really considering they keep addressing my letters to Liverpool when I live in Leeds.

Really!!!, i must have missed your post saying that, apart from the obvious of computeach being the new provider..... What else does it say. Sorry if you've already answered this on Saturday

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Really!!!, i must have missed your post saying that, apart from the obvious of computeach being the new provider..... What else does it say. Sorry if you've already answered this on Saturday

 

They are asking us contact Computeach directly and to carry on paying as per our agreement.....

 

Computeach will be able to answer all questions we may have apparently....

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Surely you can use a reasonable time (8 weeks) to confirm if the new provider is a like-for-like or better provider, before acceptance? I would also expect that a new contract between us and the new provider would need to be signed. I certainly won't be paying anything more until I have at least both of those.

 

I would in your position write to BPF and advise that you are doing some analysis of the new provider on a like for like basis (including any distance to the local workshops) and will be in touch by x date (4 weeks). If you haven't been able to complete your analysis by then, just extend by another x weeks in the same manor we have been dealt with. Make sure you keep all copies of your letter and their responses for legal grounds.

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I don't computeach is any good from what I've read about them. Just another advent, that will take a four month course and turn it to a one year + course. Advent could extend the course period for a additional 2 years as per the terms of the enrolement form if you contacted them. With computeach I don't know and think they will want you to pay after 2 years for further material and support. But I'm not going to call them. Why should I? They all have my damn money! They should call me firstly and secondly as seen as this is our money they should be treating us like real customers and run to serve us. I only want a refund for part of the money I paid I don't want it all back. Thats fair right?

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Surely you can use a reasonable time (8 weeks) to confirm if the new provider is a like-for-like or better provider, before acceptance? I would also expect that a new contract between us and the new provider would need to be signed. I certainly won't be paying anything more until I have at least both of those.

 

I would in your position write to BPF and advise that you are doing some analysis of the new provider on a like for like basis (including any distance to the local workshops) and will be in touch by x date (4 weeks). If you haven't been able to complete your analysis by then, just extend by another x weeks in the same manor we have been dealt with. Make sure you keep all copies of your letter and their responses for legal grounds.

 

 

that sounds like a really good idea, at least this will buy us some more time

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My letter has just arrived

 

Further to our recent letter concerning advent consulting ltd ceasing to trade.I can confirm that we have now secured a suitable alterantive provider to enable you to complete your training.

I am pleased to confirm the new training provider is computeach international ltd and they will ensure that the training supplied to you is of equivalent or better standard. please contact computeach as soon as possible on 0845 2180252 so they can arrange the continuation of your training.

 

we realise you will have many questions and computeach will be able to assit you with these.

As an active student you will need to continue your studies to bring your training to a satisfactory conclusion and you are obliged under your credit agreement to continue your repayments as outlined in the terms & condistions.

 

Thank you for your patience in this matter and we wish every success in your studies.

 

meanwhile if you have a query on your finance account, please contact our customer sevices department.

 

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So in other words we have found you something so get lost and keep paying us your money.

 

Not happy not happy at all :evil:

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Has anyone rung the premium rate phone number on the latest deflective letter from BPF and spoken to Computeach? If so, what did they say? I find pretty offensive (again) that it's again up to us to get in contact with them, to sort out their cock up!

 

I also spoke to a Computeach rep when deciding on which provider to take, and wrote them off as useless long before he left my house. I don't see how anything will have changed. And after even the most minor research, have discovered a world of people unsatisfied with them.

 

Thanks again to the ex-employees and students of CT for also exposing them as the wasters they are...

 

So folks, if you've spoken to them, lets post what they say... should be interesting... or not!

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Just phoned Barclays, they rep was reasonable enough, he suggested that I call computeach to see what courses they can do for me.. I had to explain that I had experience with computeach before and I had no wish to spend the rest of the year in useless internal exams while computeach plays with me.

 

I asked why had Barclays not asked us what we wanted to do instead of assigning a company to us, he said that there was no way they could have different company solutions for different students.. it had to be one solution fix in effect.

 

I asked since I did not wish to contact computeach since I concidered it a waste of my time and phone calls what are my options now.. he said to write to their customer relations department with my worries.

 

I also asked what about that my finance agreement, it has the name "Advent consulting ltd" would not another agreement need to be drawn up, he said no.. because no matter what company was to be our new training company the agreement was with barclays now.. so if computeach was to now go bust we still could go back to barclays and they would again have to find an alternative training company.

 

I also asked what about that I had requested that my account be put on hold and that I now had a cheque (due to them taking out a payment after it had been put on hold) that I have as yet not cashed.

He said to cash the cheque so that the money would be there for when they next make a request, he also said that barclays will be writing to all students that have their accounts on hold/frozen since now they have found a training company they will make your accounts active and they will be expecting payments once again.

 

So it looks like I will have to write to Barclays with my concerns.

 

Not happy at all. :(

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Apologies I was unable to get back on yesterday with the re-scanned letter from Barclays, but I see 10pack has kindly posted up what it says anyway, and it's identical to the letter I had. I had to shake my head when I read 'you're obliged to continue your repayments' - my loan was paid off last Dec!

 

On the mis-selling issue, I too chose Advent basically because they offered the recruitment team support service. I've trawled Computeach's website and, while they offer to help people with their CVs and interview techniques, they do not offer a specialist team who sources job placements in your local area, as the Advent salesman promised me. Here's the proof of what he offered in their confirmation letter....

Advent  job search details.jpg

 

He also took a copy of my CV and promised to forward it to the recruitment team so they could start looking for a basic web developer position for me within the 10 mile radius of where I live that I specified I was happy to commute within!

 

I know it's been raised that many of us are hanging on to the mis-selling issue and didn't see this as a problem before the collapse of Advent, but I really DO think that this course was mis-sold to me in the light of the poor support I received after starting the course.

I was under no illusions about what the Master CIW Designer course entailed, and thought myself pretty capable of achieving it. I am a qualified graphic designer with 10 years employment background in web and magazine design, and this looked an ideal way to be able to update my skills in order to get back into that after a break, while still holding down an admin job. When I explained to the salesman I would find it hard to get to the workshops as they were midweek and taking time off work and staying overnight during the week was not an option, he said don't worry about that as the workshops were an optional part of the course.

I took the mock and failed it, but received no mentoring advice other than to try the multiple answer tests at the end of the book chapters and email them in to Advent for marking - I had the answers book so I could have done that for myself! I was given no helpful advice on further reading for example to help with my weak areas, and was appalled when I was told I could look the answers up for questions I found difficult....what was the point of that! I wouldn't be able to do that in an exam and it wouldn't give me a clear picture of where I was at knowledge-wise.

 

I can't see any of the web software that was on my course spec covered by Computeach, at least according to their website, so for me at least I think they'll be unable to complete my training, even if I'd wanted them to.

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I also asked what about that my finance agreement, it has the name "Advent consulting ltd" would not another agreement need to be drawn up, he said no.. because no matter what company was to be our new training company the agreement was with barclays now.. so if computeach was to now go bust we still could go back to barclays and they would again have to find an alternative training company.

 

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That's worth checking out I think 10pack. My Advent contract says the same. I'm waiting to hear back from the solicitor now - he has my contract to look over, so I'll ask about that.

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Hi,

 

I have just been in touch with Computeach regarding the recent letter from Barclays.

 

My course with Advent started in June 2009 and was due to run until June 2012. The first person i spoke to at Computeach suggested that i might have to pay more to complete the course ( completely unacceptable ). However the second person i spoke suggested that they would honour the original contract.

 

What i did ascertain from the conversation is that they are inundated with calls and it is going to take quite some time until Computeach write to us all individually.

 

The route i am pursuing is the contract is frustrated due to the break of over eight weeks. I think we will be well into April before any further detail is known.

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