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    • Good morning,    I just wanted to update you on the situation.    I have visits piling up with my current employment and they need doing before I finish at the end of this month.  I am moving to Wiltshire in 3 weeks for a new job helping care homes with their Dementia patients. I tried to work it out and at a guess I will be doing about 20-25,000 miles a year. So need a vehicle that can cope with that mileage, my old car would have done it easy but 🤷‍♂️ I have taken out a loan and got a friend to find me a reliable car that can cope with the miles and hasn't been written off in the past.   I phoned Adrian flux to see if I could use the last months insurance on a new car I have bought, the girl I spoke to phoned Markerstudy and asked them but they said no, my new car doesn't have any modifications.    I had an email from someone who saw one of my appeals for information, they live near the site of the accident and know a nearby farmer who has a security camera at his entrance that catches the traffic and specifically registration plates as he has been robbed before. They said they would reach out for me and see if he still has the data. Unfortunately it wont catch the scene of the crash.   The Police phoned me and said they were closing the report I made, even if they found footage of the vehicle at the time I said the actual incident would be my word vs theirs.  My first response was I am sure google maps would show that they turned around at that location which would verify my version of events, but upon reflection I do understand, I have seen people doing make up with both hands while driving, eating from a bowl steering with their knees and veering all over the place. I am sure some of these people go off the road and claim that someone forced them off.    Markerstudy phoned me yesterday to say that my car is now at Copart, the £80 tank of Vpower diesel was emptied on entry to the site for safety reasons, which I get but it sucks.  It is awaiting being assessed and shouldn't be too long, which is a relief.  I am really glad things do not seem to be going the way of the other stories and they seem to moving quickly.   However I was informed that my car was a structural write off before I bought it - this destroyed me, I was almost sick.  and this is going to affect any offer of money - after hearing the first statement this didn't affect me.   They need to wait for the assessor to check it over but it is highly likely to be written off and the maximum they can offer is £2300.  I was desperate for a car as I was working for an agency at the time, no work no pay, and did not do a vehicle check because I didn't know about them.  The seller did not tell me that it had been structurally written off, he told me that it had the front wing damaged while parked and was repaired at an approved repairer.  Markerstudy records state that it was sold at auction, no record of repair at an approved repairer.  I bought it bank transfer with hand written receipt.    It gets worse.    It turns out my airbags should of gone off. For some reason they are not working. I think we can figure out why.  If I had hit that car head on and had no airbags.    Some good news.    I can arrange a time with Copart to go and take my stereo equipment and any personal items that are left in the car only. I cant live without music and need quality sound, my speakers and amps are Hertz and JLaudio, (no I am not a boy racer with booming subs, I am an audiophile on a budget) I was really worried I wouldn't get them back so this is a huge relief for me. It is stuff I have built up over years of saving and collecting. Everything to do with the vehicle and mods I have declared need to stay to be assessed.   The accident has gone as a fault on my record, I have to remove 2 years NCB which means I still have some to declare which is good.  So it appears at this point that it may be resolved quickly, not in the way I was hoping, but not as bad as I presumed it was going to be based upon that tow truck drivers attitude and behaviour and the horror stories I read.   I am not going to buy the car back and try to make money with all the parts on it, I don't have the time or energy.   I may need an xray on my back and neck.  The whole situation has left me feeling physically sick, drained and I need it done.   The lesson learnt from this  -  My conscience is 100% clear, my attitude to safety and strong sense of personal responsibility - A rated tyres even if on credit card, brake fluid flush every year, regular checks of pads and discs, bushes etc, made avoiding what I believed to be a certain broadside collision possible.   Get a dashcam (searching now for the best I can afford at the moment)  -  Research your insurance company before you buy  -  Pay for total car check before you go and see a car and take someone with you if you are not confident in your ability to assess a vehicle.      Thank you to everyone here who volunteers their time, energy and information, it is greatly appreciated.  You helped my sister with some advice a while ago but we weren't able to follow through, she is struggling with long term health conditions and I ended up in hospital for a while with myocarditis, when I got out and remembered it was too late.  I am going to make a donation now, it is not a lot, I wish I could give more, I will try to come back when things are on a more even keel.    Take care
    • It seems the solicitor has got your case listed for this “appeal” but not for the Stat Dec(SD). You need to ensure you can perform your SD on the day. If you are able to make your SD in court, the situation you are in now is more straightforward than if you made your SD via a solicitor. You have been convicted of two offences (and two were dropped) via proceedings of which you were not aware. The way to remedy that is to perform an SD. No appeal is necessary (nor is it available via the magistrates’ court). If you are able to make your SD this is how I see it panning out: You will make your SD to the court. The court must allow you to make it as it will have been made within 21 days of you discovering your convictions. You will then be asked to enter pleas to the four charges again. At this point you should plead not guilty to all four but make the court aware that you will plead guilty to the speeding charges on the condition that the FtP charges are dropped. The prosecutor will be asked whether or not this is agreed. In my opinion the overwhelming likelihood is that it will be. If it is you will be sentenced for the two speeding offences under the normal guidelines. In the unlikely event it is not accepted,  the speeding charges will be withdrawn (they have no evidence you were driving). You have no viable defence to the FtP charges and so should plead guilty. This will mean 12 points and a “totting up” ban (as you have already suffered). You can present an “Exceptional Hardship” argument to try to avoid this (explained below).   Because of this, I don’t see any need to make an argument to ask to have any ban suspended (pending an appeal to the Crown Court) unless and until you are banned again. The only reason I can think the solicitor suggested this is to secure a (Magistrates')  court date. I was surprised when you said you had an appointment so quickly; a date for an SD usually takes longer than that. However, if you can use it to your advantage, all well and good. I can’t comment on the argument that the two speeding offences were committed “on the same occasion” as I don’t have the details. That phrase is not defined anywhere and is a matter for the court to decide. It’s an interesting thought (and only that) that such an argument could equally be made for the two FtP offences. If the requests for driver’s details arrived at your old address at the same time, with the same deadline for reply, it could be argued that you failed to respond to them both “on the same occasion” (i.e when the 28 days to respond expired) and so should only receive penalty points for one. Hopefully you won’t need to go there. I think you have information about avoiding a “totting up” ban. But here’s the magistrates’ latest guidance on "Exceptional Hardship" (EH) which they refer to: When considering whether there are grounds to reduce or avoid a totting up disqualification the court should have regard to the following: It is for the offender to prove to the civil standard of proof that such grounds exist. Other than very exceptionally, this will require evidence from the offender, and where such evidence is given, it must be sworn. Where it is asserted that hardship would be caused, the court must be satisfied that it is not merely inconvenience, or hardship, but exceptional hardship for which the court must have evidence; Almost every disqualification entails hardship for the person disqualified and their immediate family. This is part of the deterrent objective of the provisions combined with the preventative effect of the order not to drive. If a motorist continues to offend after becoming aware of the risk to their licence of further penalty points, the court can take this circumstance into account. Courts should be cautious before accepting assertions of exceptional hardship without evidence that alternatives (including alternative means of transport) for avoiding exceptional hardship are not viable; Loss of employment will be an inevitable consequence of a driving ban for many people. Evidence that loss of employment would follow from disqualification is not in itself sufficient to demonstrate exceptional hardship; whether or not it does will depend on the circumstances of the offender and the consequences of that loss of employment on the offender and/or others. I must say, I still do not understand what the solicitor means by “As a safeguard we have lodged the appeal and applied to suspend your ban pending appeal due to the time limit for being able to automatically appeal without getting leave of the Judge.” When they speak of “leave of the judge” I assume they mean they have lodged an appeal with the Crown Court. I don’t know what for or why they would do this. It seems to follow on from their explanation of the “totting up” ban. If so, I’m surprised that the Crown Court has accepted an appeal against something that has not yet happened. But as I said, i is no clear to me. Only you can decide whether to employ your solicitor to represent you in court. If it was me I would not because there is nothing he can say that you cannot say yourself. However, I am fairly knowledgeable of the process and confident I can deal with it. That said, I do have a feeling that the solicitor is somewhat “over egging the pudding” by introducing such things as appeals to the Crown Court which, in all honesty, you can deal with if they are required. I can only say that the process you will attempt to employ is by no means unusual and all court users will be familiar with it. I can also say that I have only ever heard of one instance where it was refused. In summary, it is my view that it is very unlikely that your offer to do the deal will be refused. If it is accepted, you may be able to persuade he court that the two speeding offences occurred "on the same occasion" and so should only receive one lot of points. Let me know the details (timings, places, etc) and I'll give you my opinion. Just in case your offer is refused, you should have your EH argument ready. Whether it's worth paying what will amount to many hundreds of pounds to pay someone to see this through is your call.  Let me know if I can help further.    
    • This must be part of the new tactic from Evri.  They know they are going to lose. They take it to the wire and then don't bother to turn up in order to save themselves costs and of course they don't give a damn about the cost to the British taxpayer and the extra court delays they cause. This is a nasty dishonest company – but rather in line with all of the parcel delivery industry which knows that their insurance requirements are unlawful. They know that their prohibited items are for the most part unfair terms. They know for the most part that a "safe place" is exactly what it means – are not left on somebody's doorstep in full view. They know that obtaining a signature means that they have to show the signature not simply claim that they received a signature. They are making huge profits especially from their unlawful and unenforceable insurance requirement. Although this is less valuable than the PPI scandal, in terms of the number of people who are affected nationwide, PPI pales into insignificance. I hope the paralegals working for Evri are proud of themselves and they tell their families what they have done during the day when they go home.
    • Your PCN does not comply with the Protection of freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9[2][a] (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The only time on the PCN is 17.14. That is only  a time for there to be a period there would have to be a start and and end time mentioned. of course they do show the ANPR arrival and departures  times but that is not the parking period and their times are on the photographs not on the PCN. They also failed to comply with S.9[2][f] as they omitted to say that they could only pursue the keeper if they complied with the Act. That means that they can only pursue the driver as the keeper cannot be held liable for the charge. As they do not know who was driving and Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person they will struggle to win. Especially as so many people are able to legally drive your car and you haven't appealed giving them no indication therefore of who was driving. Small nitpicking point-the date of Infringement was 22/04/2024. They appear to be saying that they can charge an extra amount [up to £70 ] if they have to use a debt collector. You do not have a contract with a debt collector so they cannot add that cost. You paid for four hours so it can only be the 15 minutes they are complaining about. You are entitled to a ten minute minimum grace period at the end of the parking period which would be easier to explain if the car park had been bigger. However if you allow for two minutes to park and two minutes to leave that gives you one minute to account for. Things like being held on the way out by cars in front waiting to get on to Northgate or even your own car being held up trying to get on to Northgate at a busy time. then other considerations like having to stop to allow pedestrians to walk in front of you or being held up by another car doing a u turn in front of your car. you would have to check with the driver and see if they could account for an extra one minute things like a disabled passenger or having to strap in a child . I am not advocating lying since that could lead to serious problems [like jail time] but there can be an awful lot of minor things that can cause a hold up of a minute even the engine not starting straight away or another car being badly parked as examples. Sadly you cannot include the 5 minute Consideration period as both IPC and BPA fail to comply with the convention that you can include that time with the Grace period.  
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At least one Bank (according to an internet forum user) is aware that Advent and Anglo capital are the same company

Leagally this means that since Advent (who is also Anglo Capital) is claimimg insolvancy it is UNLAWFUL AND CONSTITUTES FRAUD for Anglo Capital to take payment when the company is no longer solvant/able to trade

so if Anglo Capital takes the money out of your bank on 1st day after declaring insolvency then they have commited fraud

they have also breached section 75 of the consumer credit act by failing to supply goods as advertised ie my full mcse course not partial course as some advisors have been saying as the agreement is to complete mcse course and they have failed catstrophically in their duties to do so

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STICKY1, im in the same situation as you mate! Im with Anglo Capital, phoned Barclays, was not on their records, so what do we do now, how do we get our money back from somewhere that doesnt exist???? i really dont understand what to do???

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i pesonaly think that the directors should have all their assets siezed and that includes all there private pocessions too i not a friendly person when been took mickey out of and to see the d**k head driving away from the mews in a brand new range rover sports makes me sick no doubt by monday they will have another business up and running if this wasnt planned already because thats how these creatures work

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STICKY1, im in the same situation as you mate! Im with Anglo Capital, phoned Barclays, was not on their records, so what do we do now, how do we get our money back from somewhere that doesnt exist???? i really dont understand what to do???

 

Colz1234,

 

Being honest with you I am not sure if we are going to get our money back. Barclays told me that they supplied money to Anglo and they distributed it. So if Anglo has gone under then there will be no money to get back. I am currently waiting for the financial ombudsman they want to see my agreement because it does not say consumer credit act. So I have cancelled my Direct Debit cos Anglo tried to take my money TODAY! and I am going to wait and see if someone contacts me. The worse that could happen is I miss a payment and get a letter or a late payment charge, but in light of what has happened I dont see how they can enforce a late payment charge. I truly dont think that we will get a letter or hear anything about it. The only thing I think we will hear is from the Administrator. Until someone tells me who and what my money is going too I aint paying. It doesnt look like our agreement is legitimate.

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try tracing them even at the business register they havent got a phone number but would love to know the home address of the directors so we can all write personally to them and invite them to pay or should we take it to the police to investigate fraudulant activity by these people

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so if Anglo are still active then, they must be traceable surely?????

 

That's what I am waiting for to find out when they don't get my money. If they really want it they will have to write to me and tell me they did'nt receive it and then I will have someone to approach. I was advised to cancel the direct debit by Barclays Partner Finance and wait and see who, if anyone sends a letter to me.

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I'm in Leeds - West Yorkshire if that is any help to you.

Hiya, myself and my boyfriend are both with advent and Barclay's and we both owe 6k each. we are both from bradford. west yorkshire. if any one has any information can you please contact us, as we have been told different things by Barclays to what we have received from Advent. Good idea to get in touch with watchdog.

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Hiya, myself and my boyfriend are both with advent and Barclay's and we both owe 6k each. we are both from bradford. west yorkshire. if any one has any information can you please contact us, as we have been told different things by Barclays to what we have received from Advent. Good idea to get in touch with watchdog.

 

Contact Barclays Clydesdale Finance if that is who you have your finance with cos advent (if you do speak to them cant be trusted)

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Its Barcleys Partner Finance. we have been told that Barclays wouldnt pay Advent the money. and then this morning on the phone Barclays said that Advent cancelled the partnership.

so wer both a little confused as we have only been on the course 2month and have nothing to show for the 6k :confused:

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Hi all, been following this thread with interest since the news of Advent's demise as I am also a student.

 

Here is my story with trying to get some answers.

 

I called Barclays Partner Finance today and she said that Advent themselves have not notified BPF that they are in administration - therefore, we all have to honour our credit agreements providing that they can secure a different training provider. She said that our credit agreements are not covered under section 75 (although when i challenged this she did just say that this is what they have been told to tell people).

 

So, Barclays think that Advent haven't gone bust - they have just ceased trading with Barclays.

 

Surely, our credit agreements can't be declared enforceable if the service that we signed up for cannot be provided by the provider of our choosing??? What kind of Consumer rights do we have, when we can have an "equivalent" forced on us without our agreement?

 

Something is seriously rotten with this whole setup.

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I have just done some research and there are 3 directors and 1 company secretary to both companies Advent & Anglo. Another one of their companies is allchurch associates

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Hi fellow suckers, very informative thread but slightly depressing too. All the postings I've read so far seem to be from people who have/had financing agreements. I'm not sure if I'm one of the lucky ones but I was refused credit (never had a credit card, loan or mortgage) and had to pay £5K up front. I've got my MCDST already and am carrying on to MCSE, or at least I thought I was. I guess that makes me only about £3.5K out of pocket and I'm still out of work.

 

Judging by what I've read it's probably best not to fork out even more money with another training provider and just wait to see what the receiver does. That could take a year and we may get nothing anyway. Does anyone know who the receiver is? Are there many others who paid up front?

 

 

Hi,

 

Im in the same situation. Paid the full amount off right away now it seems that anyone that did pay advent directly are screwed!! Surely if a resolution is being made available to barclays customers something must be made available to everyone who paid it themselves be it another course or a refund? Are we still seen as unsecured creditors?

 

I've spoken to my bank and they said they'll try something called a chargeback. I've spoken to CAD and they were less than helpful. I've spoken to consumers direct and it seems that the chances of me getting anything back is unlikely. I've spoken to companies house and they say the company is still active. I've sent emails to BBC, Daily mail and watchdog. I dont know what else I can do. I've only been on the course since October 2009 and I've lost close to £6000. Right now there is nothing more I can do. Its a waiting game.

 

God damn the f***ing c**nts who are behind this. If anyone know where Allchurch or Jones live let me know.

 

I'm sure there are others in the same situation and if you have any further information please let us know.

 

Until then my friends keep your chins up. :-):-)

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Hi all,

 

veteran from last nights discussion, have been onto barclays partner finance today as the followed was discussed...

 

they are in process os finding an alternative accreduted ITTC provider to bthe equivilant or better than advent to help the students to continue there course,

 

if that is not found and no alternatives are available they admitted they are of breach of the contract they originally signed with ourselves, so are now breaking the agreement.

 

so they said that if this occurs then the amount owing on the loan or will have to be issued back to the borrower.

 

so looking at it both ways i know many dont want another training provider as we are all worried they will shaft us again but im just keeping my options open as im either looking at a refund or to continue the training.

 

a question for martin

 

if they offered a provider of the course that in my eyes, was not equivelent to advent but lower, could i decline and suggest an alternative for myself.

 

must say the help from everyone has been great

 

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Wizard21......you mentioned that you don't think that barclays say that finance agreements are not convered by Consumer Credit Act. Are you talking about a barclays loan or the Career Development Loan? I have the barclays loan (Clydesdale as it was then) and printed right at the top is "FIXED SUM LOAN AGREEMENT REGULATED BY THE CONSUMER CREDIT ACT 1974"

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Hi there, Well i have been told by Barclays that because I didnt notify them I was still studying after the two year period that they will not find me an alternative course and I have lost my money. I was told by Advent I only had to tell them if i wanted to defer the payments which I didnt.

 

Surely it is not right that an Advent salesman gave advice and helped setup the career development loan when he was not a financial adviser!

 

Martin, Do you know where I stand with this? Have I really lost out, Advent said the course was aslong as it takes?

 

Cheers

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As far as I can see we are in the dark still. I wish a governing body or something would step up to take up the fight for the people! We work hard and ger scammed just as hard. I was told not to join Advent by 2 people and now I feel like a idiot for not listening.

 

I hope there will something coming out of this where I can get my money back. If they switch me to another IT provider I would expect to have the same promises made by Advent. If not I want to do some kind of rally outside one of their bigger branches and a epic protest!!!!

 

I live in Manchester for those interested in wanting to protest in the Manchester area outside Barclays. It will give them a lot more bad publicity and catch their attention! but thats if theres enough of us XD

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