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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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There are different circumstances-for example payments that are made to third parties.

We should have more info once we have had chance to look at the complete picture.

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i know what you mean, she was all "i'm sorry to say but this is for west midlands only" Well how is that going to help manchester, leeds, london, scotland and so on! We need this on Granada news/BBC News anyone got any plans?

 

 

Hi I'm from Carlisle. What about contacting your local MP surely if enough people do it may be raised in parliament. We have got to stop the rip off mentality in this country! This has the potential to ruin a lot of decent hard working people it is unjust.

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They wont be allowed to get away with it-dont worry.

Its likely that the OFT and possibly even the FSA will be preparing statements advising people of their recourse.

The FOS website will also be worth taking a look at-although if the past is anything to go by.......

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Ive paid my deposit (off my bank card), on 7th of jan, received my agreement, which i HAVE NOT signed, and DIDNT return (as lucky for me i was very lazy). and have not received anything at all. i have enrolled with advent as such but havent signed, no credit agreements,nothing. i had a direct debit set up to anglo captial or who ever they are. which is now cancelled,

 

Does me not signing the form entail i am not liable or entered into the agreement? i have been on the phone to the C A B and they seem to think that.

 

shed any light?

 

 

 

I really feel for everyone whos lost out here.

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Ive paid my deposit (off my bank card), on 7th of jan, received my agreement, which i HAVE NOT signed, and DIDNT return (as lucky for me i was very lazy). and have not received anything at all. i have enrolled with advent as such but havent signed, no credit agreements,nothing. i had a direct debit set up to anglo captial or who ever they are. which is now cancelled,

 

Does me not signing the form entail i am not liable or entered into the agreement? i have been on the phone to the C A B and they seem to think that.

 

shed any light?

 

 

 

I really feel for everyone whos lost out here.

 

 

Ok mate when did you start this course this sounds kinder funny....

 

i also thought Anglo Capital Ltd changed there name a while back also funny!

 

do you by anychance have any contact info for these people i was also to lazy to send that info back aswell :/ but i thought i was ok because payment have been takern out

 

you will not get your deposit back i dont think tho depending on when they took it you maybe able too

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I am not sure where you stand here

 

if you are you may still be able to cancle the course within the time limit but good luck with getting into contact with advent here :(

 

If you are not able to concle your stuck with Anglo ive spent the last 2 days trying to find contact info with no luck

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Would I be right in saying that the INSTITUTE OF IT TRAINING is the awarding body on this course?

if students have already taken some form of assessment there should be some unit accreditation I would have thought.

 

The situation as I see it is that the training provider has gone bust and now enrolled students will have lost access to the training/assessment but I cant see where barclays come into this.. other than they have pulled the plug on the business. I'm sure the training provider's bank wouldnt be liable for the unfinished qualifications.

 

However.. if the students are competent I cant see why they cant take the exam elsewhere, would it be possible just to pay an exam fee? I assume the qualification is on the qualification framework and not just a "college certificate"?

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As I've said before I am not happy to be fobbed off with another training provider.

 

We should have the choice, this is totally unethical and surely Barclays deciding what happens here is a conflict of interest!

 

The Directors must have seen signs for this, and it is disgusting they were still letting people sign up.

 

I signed up a while ago, but due to personal circumstances had to postpone me starting the course properly and never even gone to a workshop etc where I have incurred costs etc.

 

We all have to stick together on this one!!

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The stuff we have learnt is no longer worth anything to us... have to do it all over again.. The stuff we have payed for like books and certs are not longer worth anything to us so being charged is bs!

 

Those of you that did us the mentor service that got something other than

" we are not techinal support we cant help you"

 

Is now all for nothing the service that we payed for we havent got..

 

See it from this way i want to cancle the course and il only pay you for the books i got and the mentor service the rest am not paying... would this work.? ( just incase your wondering no it wouldnt. Pay up.!)

 

forgive grammer i cant be bothered to change any of it...

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As far as I can see, if they have gone bust thats the end of the road for getting certificates from Advent unless someone takes them over.

If you have attained a level of competence to pass a qualification you might be able to take that qualification elsewhere without having to do it all over again.. ie just take the assessment.

 

what structure do these qualifications follow?

 

ongoing assessments? End of unit tests? Exams at the end?

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As far as I can see, if they have gone bust thats the end of the road for getting certificates from Advent unless someone takes them over.

If you have attained a level of competence to pass a qualification you might be able to take that qualification elsewhere without having to do it all over again.. ie just take the assessment.

 

 

we do you think advent went bust ( ran away )

 

MCSE certs Comptia 220 etc are all usless now... check mircosoft learning

 

they are not doing what we have payed for ( updataed ) and also 10 times cheaper than what advent out of data crap was ...

 

noone can pick up advent a run it barclays will not be able to find a course that offer what advent did.. tho correct me if am wrong here

 

did anyone past and get a job with anyone from advent.? i mean am hearing loas of storys but yet dont hear any of good storys like i payed pass and earning from it now...???????

 

Forgiver the grammer i couldnt be bother to change it... again

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If barclays have withdrawn from Advent and they dont have anyone else to borrow from they have become insolvent.

 

I don't think they have "run away" as such.. just stopped trading as far as I can see.

 

I have been involved with FE for many years, but I am not up to date with IT quals, so I dont know which quals are current for this subject.

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Im in the same boat as some here also, i signed up just over a year ago for the ANS with CCNA cost me like £6450! I didnt opt to pay monthly after the 1st year where you have to pay nothing i decided to pay the whole lot off in one go as i'd saved some cash and borrowed the rest from my dad so's that i didnt have to pay the mad APR on it

 

I've got my CompTIA A+ Cert and was working towards my MCDST and then i get that friggin email & im like wtf!! Is that my 6.5K wasted!!

 

All i want now is my hard earned cash back, i disgusts me that it seems that only hard working decent honest people get shafted like this!!!

 

Matt

 

Location, Kent

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Directors name Ashley Jones as far as we know, but it seems the staff know very little!

 

We were not aware before xmas, they through a huge xmas party for us at Worcester Rugby Club 2 weeks before xmas.

 

Tele appointers and staff on probabtion were laid off w/c 04.01.2010, apparantly as a operating cost cutting exercise.

 

None of the Advent/Access staff have recieved their wages today!

 

Before xmas we were advised we could have 3 weeks paid overtime as we were doing so well and there was so much work. After the first lay off we were told we could only have a week. Then after we commited to the hours for that week we were advised they could not pay us and that if we did not do the overtime it did not look like you were supporting the company and you should consider yourself lucky to have a job, (basically threatened) that week I did over 50 hours for nothing!

 

Advent/Access had around 300 staff approx all owed anywhere between £1000 and £4000 wages! I would have rather had some wages today than a lie of an xmas party, thats for sure!

 

I have heard on the grapevine Computeach is the training advisor Barclays are hoping to change your training too. From what I know Computeach are independant and provide there own finance and have been around a very long time, alot of the staff actually came from computeach including the directors, so they are very strong company and appear to be weathering everything pretty well, they are also approved by the MOD as a forces approved provider so you should be pretty safe with them. :mad:

 

Hi everyone,

 

I spoke to an Advent trainer this morning for a good half an hour about this fiasco! I’m a student (only 14 months into the course) and I’ve paid off 6K to Barclays Partners Finance, spoke to them today and as previously mentioned they will send out a letter and be looking to switch my training elsewhere, which is a complete joke! This is a complete fob off, and the standards elsewhere could be even worse! I don’t trust Barclays on this one and I want my money back!! All say no to alternative training and demand your money back!

 

The Advent trainer had the following to say:

- 80 sales staff laid off before xmas – early signs?

- Advent insolvency “nothing to do with the recession”

- High possibility of fraud going on :o)

- Recruited averagely 400 students a month with a turnover of £2million a month

- The director is called ASLEY JONES.

- “course is designed so students don’t complete the course which makes them more money”

 

He’s also probably going to get peanuts when it comes to pay day. He was very sympathetic and knew something was wrong earlier this week when the caterers were being paid in cash rather then BACS.

 

I’m from Manchester and if anyone knows where Robin Furness is I would like to know! – He’s not based in the Pricess st office apparently and has moved to king st 6 months ago.

 

Lindsey0796 thanks for you advise and help on here! Really appreciated :D

 

Anyone from Manchester on here? Lets talk and drown our sorrows L

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Registered at last. Hello there boys and gals. Same story here. Was just about to book MCP exam next day(thursday) and obviously im screwed over like everyone of us. After couple of months when I started I had thoughts to withdrawn but probably I was either to lazy or it kept me going that I could sit an exam whenever and wherever. Im gonna be honest there is a bit of my fault. My wife wont tell me in my face she`s p...ed of and she is dissapointed as well. But You cannot forsee such a f..k up. Or can you... Anyway. Went through by enrolment form and and my Student Finance Plan Agreement with Advent Consulting and appointed agent to get the money was ANGLO CAPITAL LTD. Paid by Direct Debit 4k and £750 deposit which is all on Agreement. Most important info on it. :

..."If you have obtained unsatisfactory goods or services under this agreement you may have right to sue us".

But who? Anglo or Advent? Has someone mentioned before that ANGLO is a part of Barclays now?

 

Manchester area here-Leigh

 

Has someone paid using ANGLO CAPITAL?

please pm or stay in touch anyway. -

WE Are All Together in this...

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Registered at last. Hello there boys and gals. Same story here. Was just about to book MCP exam next day(thursday) and obviously im screwed over like everyone of us. After couple of months when I started I had thoughts to withdrawn but probably I was either to lazy or it kept me going that I could sit an exam whenever and wherever. Im gonna be honest there is a bit of my fault. My wife wont tell me in my face she`s p...ed of and she is dissapointed as well. But You cannot forsee such a f..k up. Or can you... Anyway. Went through by enrolment form and and my Student Finance Plan Agreement with Advent Consulting and appointed agent to get the money was ANGLO CAPITAL LTD. Paid by Direct Debit 4k and £750 deposit which is all on Agreement. Most important info on it. :

..."If you have obtained unsatisfactory goods or services under this agreement you may have right to sue us".

But who? Anglo or Advent? Has someone mentioned before that ANGLO is a part of Barclays now?

 

Manchester area here-Leigh

 

Has someone paid using ANGLO CAPITAL?

please pm or stay in touch anyway. -

WE Are All Together in this...

 

But who would you sue? The company haven't paid the staff wages this month, suggesting no money in the company bank account to pay it and no money to claim if you sue.

 

I am no expert but I dont think this is the right course of action to get your money back.

 

This is the only contact info I can find for Anglo:

ANGLO CAPITAL LTD

39-40 Calthorpe Road

Edgbaston

BIRMINGHAM

B15 1TS

 

Hope this helps.

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Looking by the facebook comments people, Barclays are only offering to find another Retailer to continue the training.

 

I dont know much about the legal side of things but surely we have an option to not take this as our agreements were with Barclays & Advent.

 

Im trying to get to my local Citizens Advice but ive had no luck so far, If anyone manages to get in contact with them can you please let us know in here if we have to accept or possible to get a refund.

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