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    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Civil National Business CEntre Name of the Claimant ? Lowell Portfolio i Ltd How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self   Date of issue –  15 Feb 2024 Particulars of Claim What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim?  The claim is for the sum of £922 due by the Defendant under and agreement regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 for a Capital One account with an account reference of [number with 16 digits] The Defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a Default Notice was served under s.87(1) of the Consumer Credit ACt 1974 which has not been complied with. The debt was legally assigned to the claimant on 16-06-23, notice of which has been given to the defendant. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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you might have to explain that one.

 

not quite sure how to! in my sa r it showed details of a 'router account'. there seems to be some issue as to whether or not a router acc is legitimate.

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here are some eg's on cag re app'n forms enforceability (although not loydsRtsb)

http://www.consumerforums.com/resources/templates-library/86-debt-collectors/609-mbna-agreementsapplication-forms

 

ps, just a thought, but you may want to consider sending them the 'app'n form' letter adding that what they sent you is unreadable.

 

could you point me in the right direction for this one please

There is no such thing as a 0% credit card....... someone out there is paying for it, and for once its not going to be me.:razz:

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just looked through and there are references to router (not sure what it means). The header page does say current router PP0. The references in the doc are eg

 

Start of PCO Router

Start of Cycle 6 Router.

 

dont suppose you could translate some of these:

 

DCA Pilot - Monitor (P+)

Charge off to Recs

End of Kernal Router

Start of 1st Place DCA Pilot

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can anyone comment on the application form/cca? i think I need to respond to them and am getting panicy. Havent really slept all night and kept waking up with all this on my mind. Even thought I should contact them and see if I couuld get a settlement. Anything to make this all go away.

 

What does anyone think I should offer them. Its going to be a struggle to get money together to pay them as my hubby is out of work and my salary doesnt cover our household outgoings.

There is no such thing as a 0% credit card....... someone out there is paying for it, and for once its not going to be me.:razz:

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hi sheena

 

havent seen you around lately.

 

LLoyds have had their hand forced by the ICO and have located an application form from1998 although the initial account was opened in 1994. It does contain my signature, but they included a set of T&Cs headed bank copy. Not sure where I stand on all this and could do with the greater and good to offer their opinion and advice. As I said earlier, my nerves are shot and am constantly close to tears and have migranes on a daily basis now. Didnt sleep much last night worrying about all this and I want it to end. My husband was made redundant at xmas so we are surviving on my salary and the bit of money he was given. But that will run out soon. I really dont know what to do for the best.

There is no such thing as a 0% credit card....... someone out there is paying for it, and for once its not going to be me.:razz:

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Calm down Capricorn, fellow migraine sufferer myself, just send them the standard letter re it not complying and being an application form, you can worry about that second page later, look at things like the penalty charges and see if they tie in with the year of issue and anyway if as someone pointed out its illegible that will also make it unenforceable. Don't worry about the 7 days threat, these poeple do this all the time, its meant to and does make your blood run cold, they will not be able to do anything without a court order and a Judge would not make you pay more than you can afford. When in doubt, have a look at the legal successes forum, there are lots of people on there who have gone thro exactly the same worries and won , chin up and hugs to ll:)

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so this is that was amongst the SAR:

I would write back to them, thanking them for their efforts, however could you have a legible copy.

 

Add that you do not recognise the Terms and conditions sent as a separate document as the front is not linked in any way to the T&C's.

 

Tell them that you are suspicious of the connection between the 2 pages and that you would like to view the original document at your local branch. Failing that you need a signed statement from a senior official at the bank, confirming that the T&C's were indeed coppied from the reverse of the original, as they will need that document should it ever go to court.

 

Obviously the T&C's being headed Bank Copy, they cannot be the actual terms. There are no printers codes on page 2.

 

From an s78 point of view, they would have probably complied if you could read it easily, but past that they have not.

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Thanks Vint and Miss Muppet

 

Should I also add that what they have sent is an application form and not the CCA?

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just had a reply back from lloyds:

 

Thank you for your letter

As requested, please find enclosed the best possible copy of your credit card agreement. I must advise that as the document is held on microfiche it will not be possible for you to view it in branch. However I can confirm that both pages do made up your credit agreement.

I hope that this answers your queries….

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just had a reply back from lloyds:

 

Thank you for your letter

 

As requested, please find enclosed the best possible copy of your credit card agreement. I must advise that as the document is held on microfiche it will not be possible for you to view it in branch. However I can confirm that both pages do made up your credit agreement.

 

I hope that this answers your queries….

 

hi,

 

:) imo, it's not legible, so how can the J determine on it if he/she can't even read it!? is microfiche acceptable?

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the second copy is clearer, but still doesnt link the two pages together, i only have their word for it and why would it have bank copy as a header.

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the second copy is clearer, but still doesnt link the two pages together, i only have their word for it and why would it have bank copy as a header.

 

how clearer? is it legible?

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just about readable

 

is all of it readable? if there is no clear reference/link to tc's (of which must contain the prescribed terms) then it could be unenforceable.

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It is just about readable. very small print but you can just make out what it says. \

There are no clear references to the second page. And not sure the alleged second page contains prescribed terms. How shold they appear?

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It is just about readable. very small print but you can just make out what it says. \

There are no clear references to the second page. And not sure the alleged second page contains prescribed terms. How shold they appear?

It needs to be clearly legible and I would argue now, that the terms are not those on the actual agreement and that it is illegible.

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