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at last a judge see's the bigger picture

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Yes I can tell you its the best news we have heard for a long time.

Lets hope this has aftershocks for every other court in the land.

Lincoln is well and truly on the map now !!:D

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Perhaps I should submit my court papers at Lincoln County Court - it might make the job a bit quicker!

31/10/06 Lloyds TSB - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent - Lost by Royal Mail!

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30/11/06 Statements Received

6/12/06 Preliminary Request Sent

21/12/06 Sod Off Received (With £750 offer!)

22/12/06 LBA Hand Delivered to Branch. Merry Xmas TSB!

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Do you think it's too late to have my case against Egg transferred to Lincoln?!!!!

FIRST DIRECT: £4751.86 SETTLED IN FULL 5/07/06 :-)

 

TESCO VISA CARD: £90 SETTLED IN FULL 12/08/06 :)

 

LLOYDS TSB: £4403.59 SETTLED IN FULL 17/08/06 :)

EGG: £451.52 SETTLED IN FULL 18/01/07 :)

 

 

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I think they will soon be inundated!

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Excellent well done -

 

Could this somehow be put in front of judges as a suggested order to speed process kind of like standard disclosure

 

Hurrahh 4 Kazzaw

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/mortgage-companies/53089-fnc-ge-money-erc.html

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If the bank settles the claim - as they probably well, I suggest that you do make sure that you don't forget to notify the judge that the claim has been settled.

 

The judge will feel very much more justified in his actions if he nows that the case was settled and that you keep a good standard of litigation and communication by comparison with the bank's litigation which as we all know - and now we know that the judge knows too - is merely attempted at frustrating justice.

There is very little doubt that all of the banks are in effect vexatious litigants and it is only that they are not claimants which prevents an order being made against them

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What a beautiful order!!! It really should be framed!

 

First time I've seen anything like that, although hopefully not the last! The nearest has been this one - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloyds-bank/53442-general-form-judgment-order.html#post439771

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Well!!! I seem to have caused quite a stir with my precious Court Order!!!

 

I'll keep you posted on the outcome.

 

Now, back to doing the bl**dy court bundle for my Egg claim!!!! Hopefully it will turn out to be a waste of paper & ink & they'll crack before court!!

 

K :)

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EGG: £451.52 SETTLED IN FULL 18/01/07 :)

 

 

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Hi Kakazzaw,

 

Snap on your Court Order :D

 

I have had a claim ongoing against Lloyds TSB since August last year - all boringly predicatble, all painstakingly drawn out..... Then this:

 

"The Court of its own motion is considering striking out the Defence herein on the basis the Defendant is settling all claims of this type and the Defence herein is therefore not a proper one. If the Defendant wishes to oppose this proposed course of action it is to file at Court within 14 days hereof a schedule setting out all those cases whaich have proceeded to trial and all those which have settled."

 

Dated: 28 December 2006

Date on the General Form of Judgement Order: 03 January 2007

 

So does the 14 days start from 28 Dec or 03 Jan ?

 

I assume being economical with the truth is not an option here so no schedule of cases = strike out, schedule of cases confirms Judges reasoning = strike out.:o :D:p

 

Anyone care to guess on LLoyds response? Is there any way they can argue against strike out to continue their heel dragging? Could this be formed into an alternative Draft Order to be included in AQ responses as outlined in New strategy for Allocation Questionaires sticky in the General thread?

 

Interesting times:rolleyes:

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Excellent well done -

 

Could this somehow be put in front of judges as a suggested order to speed process kind of like standard disclosure

 

Hurrahh 4 Kazzaw

 

I like this idea !!??

Could it be incorporated somehow into a draft of proposed directions in your AQ

 

ANY MODS OUT THERE, WITH ANY IDEAS ??

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Brilliant, Kazzaw. Photoman just brought me here to look (thanks mate).

Like he and others are saying, We really must try and incorporate this into our AQ's in order to spread this around. Otherwise Lincoln & Newark will be inundated !!

 

Well done !!

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great news

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well done

 

lets hope this is the first of many

 

Peter

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UPDATE

 

Sent copy of my AQ to SC & M following their request just before Christmas.

 

No surprises on their AQ!!

 

Have today received the following letter from Newark County Court:

 

 

 

 

 

 

General Form of Judgment or Order

 

To the Claimant

 

kazzaw

 

 

Before District Judge ................. sitting at Lincoln County Court.

 

EX PARTE

 

IT IS ORDERED THAT

 

The Court of its own motion is considering striking the Defence out as an abuse of process on the basis that it has settled all previous claims of this nature. If the Defendant objects to this course of action it is to file at Court within 14 days, a Schedule setting out a list of all claims it has pursued to trial and all claims it has settled.

 

Dated 28 December 2006

 

 

 

I assume they won't be sending the Schedule within 14 days so will the Judge then order them to pay up?

 

Is this happening a lot across the country or have I stumbled upon a good Judge?

 

It's the first case I have heard about where its happened Kazzaw. Brilliant news, maybe these defences are now being treated as exactly what they are, simply time wasting.

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that is one brave judge. lets hope its a turning point and the banks decide to stop all this waste of time and money and just pay up.

 

I'm so pleased for you. This is JUSTICE.

 

wooppeeee!!!!!!!!!

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