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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Please could someone tell me if you have evidence that a creditor who petitions bankruptcy gets paid twice for the same debt is classed as fraud and dishonesty.

I have proof that the creditor who petitioned bankruptcy has been paid twice for one debt. He has been paid by the trustee in bankruptcy and he has been paid by my solicitors who arranged my remortgage.

 

I know that this bankruptcy was made by fraud and now I have the evidence to prove that he has been paid twice for the same debt, so before I go any further I would like to hear what peoples views are please.

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Please could someone tell me if you have evidence that a creditor who petitions bankruptcy gets paid twice for the same debt is classed as fraud and dishonesty.

I have proof that the creditor who petitioned bankruptcy has been paid twice for one debt. He has been paid by the trustee in bankruptcy and he has been paid by my solicitors who arranged my remortgage.

 

I know that this bankruptcy was made by fraud and now I have the evidence to prove that he has been paid twice for the same debt, so before I go any further I would like to hear what peoples views are please.

Do you have evidence that the bankruptcy was fraudulent?

We will not be intimidated.

'The pen is mightier than the sword'.

Petition to Outlaw Debt Sale and Purchase

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Because this case is so long and complicated and has been going on for so long the only way for me to prove that the bankruptcy was done by fraud is to to show that he has been paid twice for the same debt. This proof I have only just discovered last week.

 

The proof I have with me will open the floodgates that he has committed fraud. It is this new evidence that I have and want to base on to re-open all the bankruptcy and bogus rent arrears claim he had against us

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I think the only thing you could do would be to issue a small claims against him. if it's 10 years, it may be outside the Statute of limitations.

Fraud is criminal, and must be proved "beyond reasonable doubt", to reclaim your money, you only have to prove "balance of probabilities".

 

First step would be to contact your local police station - they'll probably try to fob you off as "civil case", but insist on speaking to CID

Carpe Jugulum

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Does anyone know what would happen if I could prove that this Landlord has been paid twice for one debt and he has done this deliberately, I mean if he can do this and get away with it then this would be enough reason to cast doubt on the whole bankruptcy case.

I think it sounds hopeful, but you have to get legal advice.

We will not be intimidated.

'The pen is mightier than the sword'.

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Thanks bigegg for your advice, I would love to go to the police, I don't think I am out of the statue time limit as I have only just got this information in my hands last week. That is when I truly have found this evidence. I have lost over £50,000.00 and not to mention the mental suffering, I don't think this is a case for the small claims court. It is too big, and I also believd that trhe trustee in bankruptcy is involved in this cover up, so its not a small case at all.

 

I did not want to start a thread until I was very sure I had the facts and proof, now that I have I am looking for advice and help on what to do

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Have I got this right?

You remortgaged, and paid the landlord.

THEN the landlord made you bankrupt for the same debt?

Or were you made bankrupt by someone else, and the landlord asked for his cut, AFTER being paid?

 

If so, and you have proof that the landlord had been paid, AND KNEW HE HAD BEEN PAID!, before requesting the money again, then you shoud have a good case - AND, since you only just discovered this, limitations act won't apply (it applies from "point of action", which is when you DISCOVER that you are owed!)

 

 

OR:

Were you made bankrupt, which paid off the debt to the landlord, then at a later time, re-mortgaged, and your solictor paid the landlord?

 

If the latter, you will have a better claim against the solicitor.

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I have been advised by a solicitor to go to the police, I think I will do this first thing tomorrow.

I think my mortgage broker who arranged my remortgage so that we could pay off the trustee was also involved in this.

The only reason we had to remortgage was that my husband could pay off his bankruptcy debt. I think my mortgage broker knew how desperate we were to pay or lose our house, that he took advantage

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i believe that may be different if you can prove the evidence has just come to light.

Ill have a look around, but i dont believe theres any statute on fraud.

I would seriously suggest a solicitor for this myself, however, dont look for those those cowboys that advertise no win no fee.

Find yourself a good local solicitor, with a decent reputation, and approach them.

If they wont take it, they usually find you one who will, and tho they dont advertise it, they do take cases on no win no fee, and all costs and insurance are covered by them.

Imo you cant afford not to cross every T and do every I in a case of fraud.

question everything!

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ooh ok, good luck keep us updated tho, im really interested in this one.

a quick look at this uncovered something interesting.

Seems all the dca's here are commiting fraud on a daily basis.

 

The general offence of fraud may be committed by:

 

  • • false representation; the offender must know that the representation is wrong or misleading;
  • failing to disclose information;
  • abuse of position.

question everything!

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This is what I have found out, please tell me what you people think.

 

Bankruptcy debt was £8.000.44

 

Trustee in Bankruptcy paid the creditor (Landlord) £ +statutory interest = 7

My mortgage solicitors who arranged remortgage also paid to the creditor (Landlord)

In total he has received a sum of £

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The landlord was claiming £ this debt was increased when the trustee in bankruptcy got involved and started adding charges.

The sum of £ was paid to the landlord out of the £.00 claimed by the trustee in bankruptcy.

Then my solicitors who were handling my remortgage paid a further £ to the landlord, below is the information which hopefully makes more sense.

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