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    • Please see my witness statement below.  Please let me know what modifications I need to apply.  I haven't included anything related to "administrative charge while paying by credit or debit card" as I wasn't sure if I should include since sign says "it may apply"   Background  1.1 Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.    Contract  2.1 No Locus Standi, I do not believe a contract exists with the landowner that gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” From PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act) 2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.    Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.  3.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.  3.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.    Unfair PCN  4.1         As stipulated in Exhibit 1 (Pages 7-13) sent by DCB Legal following the defendant’s CPR request the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows £60.00 parking charge notice and will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue. The defendant puts it to the claimant a request for strict proof when the signage changed to show £100.00 parking charge as the evidence provided by DCB Legal stipulated £60.00 parking charge was indeed the parking charge at the time defendant parked and included in Exhibit 1   4.3        The Claimant did not respect PAPLOC   4.4        It is also unfair to delay litigation for so long and claim nearly four years' interest.    No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;      No Breach of Contract  6.1      No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY.  6.2        The wording “Electric Bay Abuse” is not listed on their signs nor there is any mention on the contract of any electric charging points at all let alone who can park there or use them.    Double Recovery  7.1        As well as the original £100 parking charge and £50 allowed court/legal costs, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  7.2        PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 4(5) states that “the maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper is the amount specified in the notice to keeper”. Which in this case is £100.  7.3        The Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is also quite clear that the maximum amount recoverable is £100.  Government ministers and government web pages explaining the Act refer to extra charges as "a rip off".  7.4        Unless the Claimant can clearly demonstrate how these alleged additional costs have been incurred this would appear to be an attempt at double recovery.  7.5        Previous parking charge cases have found that the parking charge itself is at a level to include the costs of recovery i.e. Parking Eye Ltd vs Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 which is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since the sum £85 was held to already incorporate the costs of an automated private parking business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that an alleged “parking charge” penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending on the parking firm) covers the costs of all the letters. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court V Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practise continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (...) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6        In Claim numbers F0DP806M and F0DP201T, Britannia vs Crosby the courts went further in a landmark judgement in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes GC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of Wight & Wiltshire. District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgement or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating “It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgement in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for a addi8onal sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998.  7.7        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.  7.8        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).  7.9        The Defendant is of the view that the Claimant knew, or should have known, that to claim in excess of £100 for a parking charge on private lands is disallowed under the CPRs, the Beavis case, the PoFA AND THE CRA 2015, and that relief from sanctions should be refused.    In Conclusion  8.1        I believe the Claimant has got use to intimidation tactics and has got greedy. I believe the truth of the manor is the Claimant has used bullying tactics successfully for too long and is therefore assured that innocent drivers will fall into the trap of paying rather than going through the hours it takes to defend themselves. In the process, wasting the time of the Court, the time of the Defendant and everyone else who has advised the Defendant, out of sheer decency to help have a fair hearing and see justice delivered.  8.2        I am still in disbelief that I am being heard in this court, defending myself nearly 4 years after receiving a charge through my door. I have had to spend weeks’ worth of my life studying the letter of the law in order to defend myself from this ridiculous attempt at a swindle.  8.3        I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 
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    • honestly he/she just makes these ppc look so stupid everytime   fairplay lfi
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    • First, the Entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract. so it only  is an offer to treat.  Second, the sign does say % hours free without mentioning that it is also the maximum time one can stay. it would be logical to presume that there would be a fee for staying longer-but not £100. Looking at the PCN-as usual it does not comply with the protection of freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. First it does not specify the parking period since their figure includes driving from the entrance to the parking space, then later driving from the driving space to the exit. Second it does not inform the keeper that the driver is expected to pay the charge Section 9 [2]] (b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full; What that means is that you as keeper are no longer liable to pay the charge-only the driver is. As anyone with a valid insurance can drive your car they will have difficulty proving who was driving especially as you haven't appealed. In addition the Courts should your case get that far, do not accept that the driver and the keeper ae the same person. So just relax and ignore all their threats even from their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors.  Just do not ignore a Letter of Claim if you get one of those-come back to us so that you can send a snotty letter.
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also, phone the claimant and ask him to put possession on-hold until you have a set aside decision - if he's nice he'll do it.

 

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Can't seem them doing that, their behaviour so far proves how arrogant they are

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Thanks LA, so are you saying just put it briefly like you have said even on the back at Part C which asks for evidence in support of this application.

 

I really cant afford to get this wrong :eek:

 

If you have a copy of the doctored DN, attach that. Also attach a copy of the original defective DN, and maybe highlight the dates.

 

Also note down the 1983 Regs for DNs, just to help the court see the error. This is at Schedule 2, Section 3© - do you have these Regs to hand? If not, this is what they state;

 

if the breach is capable of remedy, what action is required to remedy it and the date, being a date [not less than fourteen days] after the date of service of the notice, before which that action is to be taken;

 

(From the Consumer Credit (Enforcement, Default and Termination Notices) Regulations 1983).

 

If there is anything else wrong with the contract, just note that down too and say you want it considered.

 

I would also state that you qualified your admission re the debt to the judge, but that the judge ignored the qualification.

 

Have the bailiffs now taken the car? If not, you must get them to show you the warrant/order, ID and certificate. It is very odd if they have the possession order while you have no copy.

 

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Can't seem them doing that, their behaviour so far proves how arrogant they are

 

Give it a go - if they tried to repossess without receiving the order or a warrant they have broken the law. Putting things on-hold may help them put things right, even in a token way.

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If they are not county court bailiffs then even if they have a copy of the warrant they can't take the vehicle off private land. Only a county court bailiff can do that - a bailiff from a private bailiff company can't.

 

The ones who turned up at your place today must be collection agents (or from a private bailiff company) sent by the finance company, a county court bailiff would not turn up to repossess without the warrant in his hand.

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If you have a copy of the doctored DN, attach that. Also attach a copy of the original defective DN, and maybe highlight the dates.

 

Also note down the 1983 Regs for DNs, just to help the court see the error. This is at Schedule 2, Section 3© - do you have these Regs to hand? If not, this is what they state;

 

if the breach is capable of remedy, what action is required to remedy it and the date, being a date [not less than fourteen days] after the date of service of the notice, before which that action is to be taken;

 

(From the Consumer Credit (Enforcement, Default and Termination Notices) Regulations 1983).

 

If there is anything else wrong with the contract, just note that down too and say you want it considered.

 

I would also state that you qualified your admission re the debt to the judge, but that the judge ignored the qualification.

 

Have the bailiffs now taken the car? If not, you must get them to show you the warrant/order, ID and certificate. It is very odd if they have the possession order while you have no copy.

 

LA

 

If I draft up something and post up will you take a look for me ? I want to get this hand delivered tomorrow and will ask about the transcription whilst there.

 

No they have repo'd yet. They only had a letter from the claimant and some silver badge that looked like something from a toy shop :p

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If I draft up something and post up will you take a look for me ? I want to get this hand delivered tomorrow and will ask about the transcription whilst there.

 

No they have repo'd yet. They only had a letter from the claimant and some silver badge that looked like something from a toy shop :p

 

Yes sure, post it up. Emandcole, M and others hopefully can comment too.

 

So the repos people just had a letter? And tried to take the goods without authority? Did you get names? It is an offence to do that, also against bailiff industry guidelines (not that any bailiff follows them...).

 

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ok how does this sound, this will be on the main section with the first para on the front.

 

 

 

 

I believe the Judge has made an error in his judgement by ignoring the requirements laid out in section 87 and 88 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. The claimant issued a default notice that failed to allow sufficient time from date of service or even a date to remedy the default.

 

Section 87 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 clearly states that in order for the claimant to reclaim any goods subject to the agreement or demand any sums due under the agreement they must first issue a Default Notice that complies with the requirements of Section 88 of the Consumer Credit act 1974

 

Section 87. Need for Default Notice

 

(1) Service of a notice on the Debtor or hirer in accordance with section 88 (a "Default Notice ") is necessary before the creditor or owner can become entitled, by reason of any breach by the Debtor or hirer of a regulated Agreement -

 

(a) to terminate the Agreement, or

 

(b) to demand earlier payment of any sum, or

 

© to recover possession of any goods or land, or

 

(d) to treat any right conferred on the Debtor or hirer by the Agreement as terminated, restricted or deferred, or

 

(e) to enforce any security.

88.

Contents and effect of default notice.— (1) The default notice must be in the prescribed form and specify—

(a) the nature of the alleged breach;

(b) if the breach is capable of remedy, what action is required to remedy it and the date before which that action is to be taken;

© if the breach is not capable of remedy, the sum (if any) required to be paid as compensation for the breach, and the date before which it is to be paid.

(2) A date specified under subsection (1) must not be less than [fourteen] days after the date of service of the default notice, and the creditor or owner shall not take action such as is mentioned in section 87(1) before the date so specified or (if no requirement is made under subsection (1)) before those [fourteen] days have elapsed.

I am of the opinion that the Judge has no authority to grant a judgement in favour of the claimant when they failed to comply with the requirements of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. that states in order for a claimant to demand sums not due and/or reclaim any goods subject of the agreement they must first issue a default notice that complies with the requirements laid out in section 88.

 

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Good so far cosalt.

 

A couple of minor points;

 

1. You could highlight the need for a date, and the error in your DN

 

2. You could highlight the fact that the CCA says must and not may or should. There is no flexibility granted to the claimant. A DN must be compliant.

 

3. Is there case law you can refer to?

 

You won't forget to mention the doctored DN either will you?

 

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How about this-

 

I believe the Judge has made an error in his judgement by ignoring the requirements laid out in section 87 and 88 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. The claimant issued a default notice that failed to allow sufficient time from date of service or even a date to remedy the default.

 

 

Section 87 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 clearly states that in order for the claimant to reclaim any goods subject to the agreement or demand any sums due under the agreement they must first issue a Default Notice that complies with the requirements of Section 88 of the Consumer Credit act 1974. The Judge ignored this fact.

 

To comply with the act a Default Notice Must state a date by which any breach should be remedied and this date Must be at least 14 days from date of service of the Default Notice not 14 days from the date of the Default Notice. The Judge ignored this fact.

 

The act is clear in that the Default Notice must be precise, not should be or may be. There is no provision for a variation of this, nor can any error be regarded as de - minus. The Judge ignored this fact.

 

The Default Notice issued by the Claimant failed to show a date to which to remedy by nor did it allow the required 14 days from date of service. The Claimant also attempted to introduce a further Default Notice in a witness statement in an attempt to comply with the requirements. this further Default Notice was later admitted, in a witness statement by the Claimant to be a forgery. The Judge ignored this fact.

 

 

 

Section 87. Need for Default Notice

 

(1) Service of a notice on the Debtor or hirer in accordance with section 88 (a "Default Notice ") is necessary before the creditor or owner can become entitled, by reason of any breach by the Debtor or hirer of a regulated Agreement -

 

(a) to terminate the Agreement, or

 

(b) to demand earlier payment of any sum, or

 

© to recover possession of any goods or land, or

 

(d) to treat any right conferred on the Debtor or hirer by the Agreement as terminated, restricted or deferred, or

 

(e) to enforce any security.

88.

Contents and effect of default notice.— (1) The default notice must be in the prescribed form and specify—

(a) the nature of the alleged breach;

(b) if the breach is capable of remedy, what action is required to remedy it and the date before which that action is to be taken;

© if the breach is not capable of remedy, the sum (if any) required to be paid as compensation for the breach, and the date before which it is to be paid.

(2) A date specified under subsection (1) must not be less than [fourteen] days after the date of service of the default notice, and the creditor or owner shall not take action such as is mentioned in section 87(1) before the date so specified or (if no requirement is made under subsection (1)) before those [fourteen] days have elapsed.

I am of the opinion that the Judge has no authority to grant a judgement in favour of the claimant when they failed to comply with the requirements of the Consumer Credit Act 1974, and therefore the judgement granted is incorrect.

 

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Maybe make reference to Woodchester, particularly as it too is concerned with a repossession case:

 

Woodchester v Swayne & Co [1998] EWCA Civ 1209 (14 July 1998)

 

 

Thanks I was thinking about refering to something but am concerned this is already too long.

 

Whilst what I have put seems to cover it, I have been down this line and am sure the judge just takes one look at it and ignores it ?

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Right, I need to get this nailed tonight if I want a chance at sorting it out.

 

I want to get the set aside in tomorrow am, have I missed anything ? Too much info ? not enough ?

 

any further advice much appreciated

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I don't think it's too long, and I would think would only be improved by adding the Woodchester case law. Just my opinion of course...

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Thanks for that, I think I will go for it then.

 

Should I just refer to the woodchester case or quote from it ?

 

I would think quoting something would be worthwhile where it directly supports your case, but keep it to a minimum...

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http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?252630-Urgent-Help-Required-With-Disclosure-***WON***&highlight=

 

2. Legal Action - Set aside application - Marlins/Phoenix

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?265002-Set-aside-of-judgement-(acceptance)-help-needed&highlight=

 

3. Legal Action - Set Aside Default Judgement -Santander (B & Q Store Card)

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lots of guests watching this thread :eek:

 

Because it is so important; everyone is relying on defective DNs (me included) and if the Judges just brush this aside it's going to affect almost everyone! I don't believe they can get away with this at the end of the day. As someone said earlier, you may have to fight for it, but justice should prevail in the end (otherwise what's the point of having a legal system at all! :confused:).

 

Wish someone was looking at my threads! :(

Here are links to my other threads... Please take a look and offer any help you can. Thanks...

 

1. Legal Action - Cabot Financial (Goldfish Account) ***WON***

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?252630-Urgent-Help-Required-With-Disclosure-***WON***&highlight=

 

2. Legal Action - Set aside application - Marlins/Phoenix

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?265002-Set-aside-of-judgement-(acceptance)-help-needed&highlight=

 

3. Legal Action - Set Aside Default Judgement -Santander (B & Q Store Card)

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?261340-Urgent-Help-required-drafting-defence-for-set-aside-application&highlight

 

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Stick some links to your threads on here, it can't do any harm ;)

 

OK, thanks. Here they are... :-)

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/legal-issues/258341-urgent-help-required-disclosure.html

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/legal-issues/252630-application-set-aside-default.html

 

Any comments/views/assistance from anyone would be very gratefully received...

 

Colin

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1. Legal Action - Cabot Financial (Goldfish Account) ***WON***

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?252630-Urgent-Help-Required-With-Disclosure-***WON***&highlight=

 

2. Legal Action - Set aside application - Marlins/Phoenix

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?265002-Set-aside-of-judgement-(acceptance)-help-needed&highlight=

 

3. Legal Action - Set Aside Default Judgement -Santander (B & Q Store Card)

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?261340-Urgent-Help-required-drafting-defence-for-set-aside-application&highlight

 

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How about this-

 

I believe the Judge has made an error in his judgement by ignoring the requirements laid out in section 87 and 88 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. The claimant issued a default notice that failed to allow sufficient time from date of service or even a date to remedy the default.

 

 

Section 87 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 clearly states that in order for the claimant to reclaim any goods subject to the agreement or demand any sums due under the agreement they must first issue a Default Notice that complies with the requirements of Section 88 of the Consumer Credit act 1974. The Judge ignored this fact.

 

To comply with the act a Default Notice Must state a date by which any breach should be remedied and this date Must be at least 14 days from date of service of the Default Notice not 14 days from the date of the Default Notice. The Judge ignored this fact.

 

The act is clear in that the Default Notice must be precise, not should be or may be. There is no provision for a variation of this, nor can any error be regarded as de - minus. The Judge ignored this fact.

 

The Default Notice issued by the Claimant failed to show a date to which to remedy by nor did it allow the required 14 days from date of service. The Claimant also attempted to introduce a further Default Notice in a witness statement in an attempt to comply with the requirements. this further Default Notice was later admitted, in a witness statement by the Claimant to be a forgery. The Judge ignored this fact.

 

 

 

Section 87. Need for Default Notice

 

(1) Service of a notice on the Debtor or hirer in accordance with section 88 (a "Default Notice ") is necessary before the creditor or owner can become entitled, by reason of any breach by the Debtor or hirer of a regulated Agreement -

 

(a) to terminate the Agreement, or

 

(b) to demand earlier payment of any sum, or

 

© to recover possession of any goods or land, or

 

(d) to treat any right conferred on the Debtor or hirer by the Agreement as terminated, restricted or deferred, or

 

(e) to enforce any security.

88.

Contents and effect of default notice.— (1) The default notice must be in the prescribed form and specify—

(a) the nature of the alleged breach;

(b) if the breach is capable of remedy, what action is required to remedy it and the date before which that action is to be taken;

© if the breach is not capable of remedy, the sum (if any) required to be paid as compensation for the breach, and the date before which it is to be paid.

(2) A date specified under subsection (1) must not be less than [fourteen] days after the date of service of the default notice, and the creditor or owner shall not take action such as is mentioned in section 87(1) before the date so specified or (if no requirement is made under subsection (1)) before those [fourteen] days have elapsed.

I am of the opinion that the Judge has no authority to grant a judgement in favour of the claimant when they failed to comply with the requirements of the Consumer Credit Act 1974, and therefore the judgement granted is incorrect.

 

 

This looks fine cosalt, but it's de minimis not de-minus (sorry to be pedantantic).

 

The judge I think made his decision on an apparent admission of the debt, so could be worth stating that you only offered a qualified admission but that the judge appeared to ignore the qualification (which was that the claim was based on erroneous documentation).

 

LA

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Thanks I was thinking about refering to something but am concerned this is already too long.

 

Whilst what I have put seems to cover it, I have been down this line and am sure the judge just takes one look at it and ignores it ?

 

I would defo mention Woodchester - this is very relevant.

 

The court may see this and prefer a set aside to an appeal which may very well be successful. The court may not wish to see their name splashed all over the legal press following a bad judgement and successful appeal.

 

The judge or court cannot ignore case law. Precedence is, I think, the basis of our legal system.

 

LA

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This looks fine cosalt, but it's de minimis not de-minus (sorry to be pedantantic).

 

 

LA

 

 

LOL I thought it didnt look right ! Should that say pedantic ?? :p

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Ok what I will do is put section 87 & 88 on a seperate sheet together with the duff DN and forged DN and refer to them as attached.

 

I will add a statement that refers to woodchester and also a statement that mentions the fact the judge made his decision based on an admittion of debt which was wrong.

 

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Ok what I will do is put section 87 & 88 on a seperate sheet together with the duff DN and forged DN and refer to them as attached.

 

I will add a statement that refers to woodchester and also a statement that mentions the fact the judge made his decision based on an admittion of debt which was wrong.

 

cosalt

 

Perfect!

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Typos and not enough pedantry
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