Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • Particular's of claim for reference only 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Suggested defence 1. The Defendant contends the particulars of the claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.3 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. The claimant has not complied with paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre action protocol) failed to serve a letter of claim pre claim pursuant to PAPDC changes of the 1st of October 2017. It is respectfully requested that the court take this into consideration pursuant 7.1 PAPDC. 3. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had financial dealings but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification. 4. Paragraph 2 is denied. I have not been served with a default notice pursuant to the consumer credit act 1974. 5. Paragraph 3 is denied. i am unaware of any legal assignment or notice of assignment. A copy of assignment was sent by Overdales solicitors when acknowledgement of receipt of CPR request was received, but this was not the original.   6. Paragraph 4 is denied. Neither the original creditor or the assignee have served notice pursuant to sec86c of the Credit Consumer Act 1974 Notice of Sums in Arrears and therefore prevented from charging interest on debt regulated by the CCA1974. 7. The defendant submitted a request for a copy of the alleged agreement pursuant to s78 CCA 1974. The claimant has acknowledged receipt of request but has failed to comply. The claimant has failed to provide any evidence of balance or Default Notice requested by CPR 31.14 8. It is therefore denied with regards to defendant owing any monies to the claimant. therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to:  a.  Show how the defendant has entered into an agreement with HSBC. b.  Show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a Default notice pursuant to section 87 (1) CCA 1974. c.  Show and quantify how the defendant has reached the amount claimed for. d.  Show how the claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity  to issue a claim. 8.  As per civil procedure rule 16.5 (4) it is expected claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 9.  Until such time the claimant can comply to a section 78 request he is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.     .
    • OK, well rereading the court orders from March, in the cold light of day rather than when knackered late at night, it is quite clear that on 25 June there will only be a preliminary hearing about Laura representing her son.  Nothing more. It's lazy DCBL who haven't read things properly and have stupidly sent their Witness Statement early. Laura & I had already been working on a WS, and here it is.  It needs tweaking now after reading the rubbish that DCBL sent and after all of LFI's comments.  But the "meat" is there. Defendant's WS - version 1.pdf
    • Morning, I purchased a car from Big Motoring World on 10th December 2023 for £14899.00. On the 15th December I had a problem with the auto start stop function of the car in which the car would stop in the middle of the road with a stop start error message. I called the big assist and the car was booked in for February. The BMW was with them for a week and it came back with the auto stop start feature all fine and all error codes cleared on the report from big motoring world. within 5 days I had the same issue. Warning light coming on and the car stopping. I called big assist again and the car was again booked in for an other repair in May. Car was taken back in may, they had the car for a week and returned with the report saying no issue with the auto stop start feature and blamed my driving. Within 5 days of having the car back it broke down again. This time undrivable. I had the rac pick my car up and take to Stephen James BMW for a full diagnostic. The diagnostic came back with the car needing a new fuel system as magnetic swarf was found.  I have sent big motoring world a letter stating all the issues and that under the consumer rights act 2015 I have asked for a replacement vehicle. all reports from Stephen James BMW have been sent over to big motoring world. Big motoring world have come back and said they will respond to my complaint within 14 days for the date of my complaint letter. I am not feeling confident on the response from them, what are my next steps?   Thanks in advance. 
    • That is really good is that a mistake last off "driver doesn't have a licence" I assume that should be keeper? The Court requested me to send the Court and applicant proof of my sons disability from their GP this clearly shows he has Severe Mental Impairement, he is also illiterate.  I naively assumed once the applicant received this that they would drop the claim.  It offends me that Bank has asked the Judge to throw the case out at the preliminary hearing and to make us pay up.
    • Hi, we are looking to get some opinions on weather or not to bother fighting this PCN. This comes from a very big retail park parking where there are restaurants, hotel, amongst other businesses. The parking is free but I suppose there must be a time limit on it that I am not aware of. We were in the area for around 4 hours. Makes us wonder how they deal with people staying in the hotel as the ANPR is on what appears to be a publicly maintained street (where london buses run) which leads to the different parking areas including the hotel.  1 Date of the infringement 26/05/2024 2 Date on the NTK  31/05/2024 3 Date received 07/06/2024 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]  YES 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Entry and exit photos however, based on the photographs we are almost sure the photos are taken on public street. This is the location I believe photos are taken from.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/eii8zSmFFhVZDRpbA 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A 7 Who is the parking company? UKPA. UK Parking Administration LTD 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] The Colonnades, Croydon, CR0 4RQ For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. British Parking Association (BPA) Thanks in advance for any assistance.  UKPA PCN The Collonades-redacted.pdf
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
        • Like
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
        • Like
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like
  • Recommended Topics

Some advice re: an interim charging order pls


lisaf
style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 5486 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

Academic really Lisa. If they cannot produce the credit agreement at this hearing or the Final Charging Order it is game over for them.

What would be better is if they produced an invalid agreement so that they could never come back. The same would be true if they had an invalid default Notice-and that is very common. I will try and find an example on the forum of what they should say-virtually anything else renders the DN invalid-end of your problems.

I would go back to the ignoramuses at Cohens and ask them to provide now what they are going to produce in Court to give you time to prepare your defence ie the agreement the Default Notice and the Deed of Assignment. You are entitled to them under CPR and not to get them is a breach of CPR.

 

PS You and they will need to be quick if the hearing is for next week.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Replies 164
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Thanks LFI. I know normally any defence would have to be in at least 7 days before a hearing so obviously that can't happen so does it just mean that i take it with me on the day?

Also how do i request the stuff that cohens are going to use in court in time?

Are things usually done this quickly?

I have another set aside i applied for before this one and the hearing isn't until march! Same court also!

Please advise - many many thanks, don't want to mess up at this stage.

Lisa x

Link to post
Share on other sites

Lisa, I am sorry but I think I have mislead you on the previous post. All the Court are asking that the relevant documents are produced in Court so that you have them to hand when the Charging Order is heard.

So do not chase for them, indeed hope that they are not produced. By all means take along Von Greenbach's defence just in case, but I don't think you will be asked to do anything other than walk away with copies of the requested documents.

Once you have the copies post them on this thread to see if they are valid.

Link to post
Share on other sites

If they can't, the Judge will either quash the Charging Order, or give them a bit more time. Depends what kind of Judge you get.

You should point out to the Judge the letter from Cohen's saying they were not obliged to supply the docs and let him/her know how long you have been asking for them.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi All,

 

rec'd in the post today (after panicking yesterday)! the 'General form of judgement or order'.

 

It says:

'Before district judge xxx sitting at willesden cc etc etc.

 

It is ordered that

 

1/ An application hearing has been listed for xx jan at xxam with a time estimate of 15 mins.

2/ Claimant do provide at the hearing:

 

a/ The regulated consumer credit agreement the subject of the claim

b/ Copy assignment to claimant

c/ Copy notice of default

 

Now i know they haven't tied this one up with the CO hearing in March but is this better for me as if they can't produce - is it game over for them?

Please advise

Many thanks

Lisa

 

 

Brilliant news,

 

And good advice from LFI to follow.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi,

Eversheds never produced their CCA either and the judge said they dont have to its not important and the charge was granted,its a load of rubbish this CCA request as it does not stand up in court. sorry to burst your bubble :(

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are very experienced members on here who work within the legal profession, who would disgree with your statement.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are very experienced members on here who work within the legal profession, who would disgree with your statement.

dont speak to me like that i was only telling it as it was for me and dont want to mislead anyone,your very rude

Link to post
Share on other sites

Howmuchdebt, first I don't think Von greenbach was rude to you-indeed he only said what you had already to Lisa which was "sorry to burst your bubble".

 

At the end of the day, on this forum we are trying to help people like Lisaf with her problem as this is her thread. So starting up arguments on someone else's thread is not much of a help to Lisaf.

 

That being said Howmuchdebt, I can understand that you would have been upset by the Judges decision in your case. Not all Judges are as au fait with the Consumer Credit Act as they need to be although in fairness even the Law Lords admit that the interpretation of parts of the Act are not easy for them either. However, if the executed agreement was not produced at the time the CCJ was applied then the Judges decision during the subsequent setaside appears to have been flawed. if you haven't started a thread on that result, I suggest you do so and see if it is not too late to have that decision reversed.

 

Lisa, I don't expect anything more to happen this week at your hearing other than the documents to be provided [or not as the case may be].

But in May, should it get that far, it would be wise to realise that you may need to dot the i's and cross the t's for the Judge to make it crystal clear that if there are defects in either the agreement or the Default Notice then the Charging Order and any associated CCJ are invalid and use examples which you can find on this Forum to substantiate your position.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I am burying my sister this Thursday i am not in the best of moods I wont bother with this forum again sorry to have even replied,but i do think the reply was rude.

 

I think if you read my post the way i said about bursting a bubble was not to be nasty it was just a saying,but Von greenbach said it back to me to be leery and offensive.

 

I would have thought letting others know that charges nearly always on go your house is better than making out otherwise.

Edited by howmuchdebt
Link to post
Share on other sites

I am sorry to hear of your bad news.

There is no need to leave the forum however. You appear to have a justifiable grievance against a decision made in Court and it would be a pity if there was a chance to get it rectified and not take it.

 

Obviously now is not the time to commence, but later when you have had a time to grieve, let us see if we can give you best advice to resolve that judgement.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I am sorry to hear of your bad news.

There is no need to leave the forum however. You appear to have a justifiable grievance against a decision made in Court and it would be a pity if there was a chance to get it rectified and not take it.

 

Obviously now is not the time to commence, but later when you have had a time to grieve, let us see if we can give you best advice to resolve that judgement.

 

 

Thankyou,

i appreciate that,however I dont think the charge would be reversed we tried every trick in the book and even now Eversheds have their charge they are threatening with forced sale blah blah blah,we are also back and forwrds to court fighting 1st credit who want to make us bankrupt,but we have won one stat demand and about to win the next on Tuesday as they have backed out .

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Supa - let's hope they can't produce in time :D

 

 

Well let's hope so.............you've said that HSBC have admitted they haven't got the agreement and it's time for them to put up or shut up.

 

 

As an aside to this, howmuchdebt, I'm sorry to hear of your bad news and offer my condolences to you and your family.

 

I do hope you will reconsider your decision not to bother with the forum. Yourself and VG have offered valid points of view to the OP and sometimes it can be hard to agree with another perspective that is offered - but why not call it a rounded perspective made available to the OP ?

I do think you can make useful contributions to the forum as you've dealt with SD's and CO's - a lot more than some others have dealt with.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, it costs nothing, other than time, to start up a thread on the subject. And to get the CCJ off your credit report and Eversheds off your back into the bargain would seem woth the effort.

And congratulations on your recent successes. To add a third to your list would surely be the icing on the cake.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thankyou,

I was obviously having a stress moment when i said i wont bother posting,i have had some really good advice on here and our problems are not always the same,

 

I am hoping on Tuesday that this is the last of the threats from 1st credit who have been nothing but bullies over the past few years,Eversheds well we are just going to save every penny we can and cut down on the food bill each month to try and get a couple of thousand pounds together to offer them full and final so the charge will come off the house and they off our backs.

 

Sorry guys about my outburst

Link to post
Share on other sites

Well let's hope so.............you've said that HSBC have admitted they haven't got the agreement and it's time for them to put up or shut up.

 

Hi Supa - sorry think you may have got my other set aside mixed up on my other thread where hsbc admit they don't have it. That hearing is in march.

 

This one is for a store card (taken out about 10 years ago) So i'm really hoping that they can't find anything!

The CO hearing is march also for this. I don't see the point of the court ordering them to produce if they are going to be dismissed out of hand if they are not produced/not valid - what a total waste of my time and money!

 

I am trying not to be too positive about this as i know anything could happen:roll:

I appreciate all of your comments always - thankyou;)

Lisa

Link to post
Share on other sites

Lisa they have only allocated 5 minutes, I think, for your hearing. But it is as well to be on the safe side and take your arguments along just in case things escalate, or you can find a reason why the case should be quashed now-like them not having the correct documents.

For instance if they only have an application form, point out that it is unenforceable in a Court, having the backup from other cases to substantiate your point so that it will be all over this week.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...