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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Nobody here gives a flying fig about access it's EGRESS we are bothered with. How hard is that for them to understand?????? It's all across the POC that you need a card to access, pin to access, permission to access, Fred had no problem getting in but he's had a heck of a job getting out!!

 

It was a free exit car park as illustrated by the loop in the road. Fred could not exit not because he din't have a swipe card, permission or a pin but because the barrier was broken.

Smoke and mirrors spring to mind........

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It comes under the Information Commissioner's remit to ensure that authorities comply etc. with the ultimate sanction that they can face a 'contempt of court' charge.

 

See this report dated March 2009:http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/freedom_of_information/practical_application/monitoring_strategy.pdf

 

In particular note this para:

It should also be noted that a breach of section 77 FOIA, may lead to a criminal sanction. For example, where the investigation of concerns in relation to records management relates to the inappropriate or deliberate destruction or concealment of information with the intention of preventing disclosure to which an applicant would have been entitled.

 

Hope LD know a good solicitor ;)

Oh dear oh dear, this gets worse. At least LD can represent Miss Hughes in court, she'll be safe with them:rolleyes::eek:

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Thank you foolishgirl, very helpful.

 

So it's a contempt of court offence eh? Well put that in the pile with the CPR 32.14 and CPR 31.23 offences I have a feeling Fred is on the verge of putting before the Court.:cool:

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Good news interlude.

 

After three days and nights of non stop torrential rain it has stopped raining in Birmingham, the sun came out for 5 minutes right at dusk, it's drying quickly and it looks to me like we'll be seeing Ashes cricket from Edgbaston in the morning.

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Thank you foolishgirl, very helpful.

 

So it's a contempt of court offence eh? Well put that in the pile with the CPR 32.14 and CPR 31.23 offences I have a feeling Fred is on the verge of putting before the Court.:cool:

You're quite right, he is 8-) with more than a little help from your good self:-D

What a tangled web they're weaving for themselves. Where will it end?

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Thank you foolishgirl, very helpful.

 

So it's a contempt of court offence eh? Well put that in the pile with the CPR 32.14 and CPR 31.23 offences I have a feeling Fred is on the verge of putting before the Court.:cool:

 

 

Sorry TLD - didn't mean to mislead. Not to supply information repeatedly comes under contempt, it is a criminal offence to deceive etc:

 

Freedom of Information Act 2000

77 Offence of altering etc. records with intent to prevent disclosure

 

(1) Where—

(a) a request for information has been made to a public authority, and

(b) under section 1 of this Act or section 7 of the [1988 c. 29.] Data Protection Act 1998, the applicant would have been entitled (subject to payment of any fee) to communication of any information in accordance with that section,

any person to whom this subsection applies is guilty of an offence if he alters, defaces, blocks, erases, destroys or conceals any record held by the public authority, with the intention of preventing the disclosure by that authority of all, or any part, of the information to the communication of which the applicant would have been entitled.

(2) Subsection (1) applies to the public authority and to any person who is employed by, is an officer of, or is subject to the direction of, the public authority.

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale.

(4) No proceedings for an offence under this section shall be instituted—

(a) in England or Wales, except by the Commissioner or by or with the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions;

(b) in Northern Ireland, except by the Commissioner or by or with the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions for Northern Ireland.

Any knowledge I possess or advice I proffer is based solely on my experiences in the University of Life. Please make your own assessment of legality, risks & costs before taking any action.

 

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That seems pretty clear, thankyou Foolishgirl.

I wouldn't like to be in the shoes of the sender of this email.

What sort of a boss would get their admin assistant into that sort of predicament rather than answer their own emails?

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Thanks again FG. So if Mrs miss Ms Hughes insists on maintaining the FAAC was a RIB etc. then it would be for Fred to complain through the ICO presumably highlighting the fact that the mistake was replicated to their solicitors and ul;timately to Court?

 

But why wont they just admit that the barrier in question was a hydraulic FAAC barrier?

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Good news interlude.

 

After three days and nights of non stop torrential rain it has stopped raining in Birmingham, the sun came out for 5 minutes right at dusk, it's drying quickly and it looks to me like we'll be seeing Ashes cricket from Edgbaston in the morning.

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This one puzzles me.

9) How many court claims have been initiated by PCAD over the last 6 years in respect of alleged damage to property?

Answer: UnknownNo claims for damage to barriers.

 

What's all this then that Fred faces. Are we all dreaming?

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This one puzzles me.

9) How many court claims have been initiated by PCAD over the last 6 years in respect of alleged damage to property?

Answer: UnknownNo claims for damage to barriers.

 

What's all this then that Fred faces. Are we all dreaming?

 

Probably just another genuine mistake.

 

What sort of a boss would get their admin assistant into that sort of predicament rather than answer their own emails?

 

Maybe they've installed a swear filter on the college computers and Bryan wasn't able to break through himself?

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This one puzzles me.

9) How many court claims have been initiated by PCAD over the last 6 years in respect of alleged damage to property?

Answer: UnknownNo claims for damage to barriers.

 

What's all this then that Fred faces. Are we all dreaming?

 

I think i can see where Patma is going with this one. Fred asked for details of claims for damage to property, didnt even mention the barrier. The reply has specificly mentioned that no claims have been submitted regarding barriers. Maybe no claim has been submitted and they are trying to hoodwink their way into getting a full payment for something they couldnt claim on because of their own procedures re access on a saturday.

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Just a very quick one to observe that if it were not for CAG, just imagine how hard it would've been for Fred to battle such a cunning and determined foe.

 

Have they done this before I wonder?

 

If so, how many times?

 

The way they are conducting themselves suggests this is all too familiar territory for them. Once this hits the Press, it will be interesting to see if anyone else comes forwards to say a similar thing happened to them.

 

Cheers,

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Just a very quick one to observe that if it were not for CAG, just imagine how hard it would've been for Fred to battle such a cunning and determined foe.

That's very true. I've thought of that a lot too. Fred has said many times how he would have been up the creek without a paddle without all the help and support coming from cag and with especially outstanding help from TLD.:-D

The way they are conducting themselves suggests this is all too familiar territory for them. Once this hits the Press, it will be interesting to see if anyone else comes forwards to say a similar thing happened to them.

 

You may have something there. Who knows the more we dig into this mess, the more keeps coming to the surface and one day it will make a good story.:D

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I think i can see where Patma is going with this one. Fred asked for details of claims for damage to property, didnt even mention the barrier. The reply has specificly mentioned that no claims have been submitted regarding barriers. Maybe no claim has been submitted and they are trying to hoodwink their way into getting a full payment for something they couldnt claim on because of their own procedures re access on a saturday.

 

We've had some insurance company computer printouts disclosed today, so it appears there was a claim,but how deep the rabbit hole goes I've no idea

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Helford. Is it normal practice in your experience for an insurer to scribble out the initial claim value of say £1000 and amend it to say £3000 (on the initial claim form filled in by the person who received the claim initially) when it appears that the payout may become recoverable from a third party please?

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Patma you have a pm. Forgot to suggest that Fred goes out and buys ink cartridges and a ream of paper tomorrow before the cricket starts.

 

Also forgot to say one further copy of the second part for presentation to the SRA who might be particularly interested.

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Patma you have a pm. Forgot to suggest that Fred goes out and buys ink cartridges and a ream of paper tomorrow before the cricket starts.

 

Also forgot to say one further copy of the second part for presentation to the SRA who might be particularly interested.

 

Got it thanks and I've replied.

Fred's a cricket philistine, it's wasted on him,give him a nice car park barrier though and he's happy.

 

Yes a copy of for the SRA, good thinking, I'll remember.

You'd better get some sleep. All that brain work ahead tomorrow, not to mention the tension oh and a dance to keep the rain away.:D

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The college are claiming that the (old) barrier involved in the incident and subsequently replaced was a RIB and the 'new' barrier is a BFT.:-?

They're claiming the opposite aren't they, that a BFT was replaced with an RIB? At least that's how Claire Hughes has answered the FOI request. If you have other evidence to suggest that the college is claiming that the new barrier is manufactured by BFT, then it could be that they are trying to get Fred to pay for the replacement of the other barrier.

 

Haven't had a lot of success trying to track down the make and model of the original barrier. All I can say for sure about it is that it matched the one in the second pic in post 90. We've been back today to see if we could identify the make and model, but that barrier is no longer there now. It's been replaced with a new one. which has no identifying details other than the letters BFT running along the arm (We're wondering if Fred is being billed for both of them being replaced lol)
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at first the only info they gave was that there was damage to the motor gear and linkage at a cost of £1274 plus VAT.

 

The next thing was that they wrote again about a week later informing him the whole thing had to be replaced.

Was the second barrier replaced a week after the first? If so, maybe Patma's joke in post 102 about them trying to get Fred to pay for both barriers is true!

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Bedlington, you're right, well spotted.

In answer to my first question in the FOI request for the make, model of the current barrier she answers RIB, and for the make of the previous one she answers BFT (which we of course have proof is false).

In contrast in the disclosure info we have, which is copied from hers, we are told the old barrier is an RIB. Basically they can't get their stories straight, even though my email was cc'd to LD, and others ;)

Was the second barrier replaced a week after the first? If so, maybe Patma's joke in post 102 about them trying to get Fred to pay for both barriers is true!

Who knows LOL. All we can say for sure is that something extremely fishy has gone on:D

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Bedlington, you're right, well spotted.

In answer to my first question in the FOI request for the make, model of the current barrier she answers RIB, and for the make of the previous one she answers BFT (which we of course have proof is false).

In contrast in the disclosure info we have, which is copied from hers, we are told the old barrier is an RIB. Basically they can't get their stories straight, even though my email was cc'd to LD, and others ;)

 

Who knows LOL. All we can say for sure is that something extremely fishy has gone on:D

 

It is on a day like this that I miss the now defunct 'Pray for Rain' forum. Our old compadre Alec Cox would be beside himself at the way this is panning out. You may remember a few pages back I mentioned Massimo Dallamano,cowboys, and fistfuls of dollars, well that film was based on a Japanese film (Yojimbo) in which the 'goody' played the two factions of 'baddies' against each other.

 

How right Oscar Wilde was in his essay coincidentally entitled "The Decay of Lying: An Observation" when he wrote: "Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life"

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How right Oscar Wilde was in his essay coincidentally entitled "The Decay of Lying: An Observation" when he wrote: "Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life"

Very true and I would like to add.....

 

Magna est veritas et praevalet

Great is truth and it prevails

:D:D

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