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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hi EL,

 

I see no problem in reclaiming charges as a separate issue.

 

Also, you can and should insist on such charges being repaid to you direct and NOT used to reduce any balance on the a/c.

 

This is your right and if BC won't refund to you direct, you File a claim in court and pursue it until they repay you direct.

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Thanks Slick..going after the charges I think...already sent the prelim letter anyway! Wish I'd done the charges claim for my current account earlier...after totting up charges/ppi/credit card charges it clears a third of my debt. Suddenly things don't seem so disastrous but horrified I have been struggling for so long. No update on the CPR request, just a weird letter referring to token payments?! Given that I have not requested to make token payments on either Bcard it seemed odd and have not paid them a penny since my CCA requests. Didnt say which account it was referring to either? Just said Bcard did not accept payments of less than one percent of the outstanding balance unless approached by a credit counselling service. Threatening phone messages from a woman a Mercers have started again so Im guessing its a tactic to get me to pay...:)

 

 

 

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Ok, been moving so unable to update...received some rubbish responses to CPR, after the deadline I had set, but nevertheless; for the Morgan Stanley Bcard account, I got a standard 'referral to complaints dept' letter and for the other Bcard exactly the same T and Cs and CCA 1978 letter they sent before, from a different name at Legal and Regulatory compliance. Address at top is misspelt and not the address when the card was taken out. More threats from Mercers. Pondering what next while I do some heavy lifting. Hope everyone is well! :)

 

 

 

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Hi El,

 

Hope you soon get all the boxes unpacked and are back to normal soon.

 

Great excitement while you have been moving :) - Barclaycard have come up with a new template letter of gobbledegook - this time banging on about Section 7 and all the usual rubbish saying that they can produce anything they like regardless of whether it has got anything to do with us, and it's our agreement. :rolleyes:

 

It's on militant consumer's thread amongst others. Or on mine, but I had to type it out.

 

Hope you can flop down and enjoy a drink before midnight.

 

DD

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Thanks DD! Still a bit haywire here but slowly getting there; several large Gin and Tonics have been poured and I thought a new era of calm would descend on the eastend...until...

 

Calder Financial, the charming fellows have started a new game of chase :rolleyes:. Just wrote them another letter referring back to Bcard, mentioning CPR, the T and Cs...etc etc etc. Gone all quiet with the MS Bcard and absolutely no word on missing terms/text. Am writing again to Barclaycard themselves to say they have not fulfilled my CPR requests and deciding whether to file an N44 now. I have lost count with how many complaints I must have running with Barclays now.

 

I will reiterate my utter disbelief at why the heavens it is so hard to find my CCA.

 

Thanks for all who have subbed...more news will hopefully be on the way shortly as I get myself organised again. :)

 

 

 

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Hi El,

 

It's always taken me ages to get properly sorted after a move. It's only really over when the very last packing case has gone. :)

 

I got an application form from bcard and there is a stamp saying "agreement sent ...." so as soon as my computer is repaired I'll be asking them to send it. Want to scan here for advice first though, and the computer won't be fixed until after 14th at the earliest. At least I have been able to borrow one which allows me to access email and get on this site. I was having withdrawal symptons after a week. :D

 

I have not heard very much from them since I wrote in January asking them to explain the discrepancies in the huge A3 thing they sent me. A couple of calls from Calders and I sent them back to bcard, but nothing more than that.

 

DD

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You dont have to change your number just tell them you intend to sell the mobile and when they ring again get someone else to answer or change your voice and challenge them!!!!!:smile:

 

It works trust me!!:lol:

 

They always mis-pronounce my name so when they say is that 'Miss Trullupy' or something similar I can honestly say no! And as for calls to my mobile I always ignore calls from 0845 numbers, I think they've got the message because they don't call it any more.

This e-book is what got me started http://www.freedomfiles.org/mary-book.pdf

 

This short film opened my eyes

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Any news??

 

In same situation on my bc account

 

My oh has same czrap as Desperate Daniella

 

Have heard nothing for weeks but this week Moorcroft pre litigation dept sent 2 letters

 

Quaking in my boots!

 

Just wondered if anyne else at this stage - safety in n8umbers and all that!

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Hi DD

 

Looking for your thread where you have the A3 Morgan Stanley cxrap as my OH has the same and really cheating and seeing where you were

 

What do we do now? I am at a standstill with BC x2 and MBNA x2 REally keen to get them sorted

 

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I haven't heard anything for either Bcards for a while now. Wescot sent me a couple of letters, and I replied explaining that I hadn't received an explanation for the discrepancies on my cca and that the account should be returned to barclaycard. Nothing since...no response to my cpr requests either, so letting sleeping dogs lie for the moment. Anyone else got any news?

 

 

 

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Hi H09,

 

My thread is Desperate Daniella -v- MSDW/Barclaycard It has been very quiet for months. I've realised I haven't even posted the DCA news because DML just sent the same thing - half-size this time instead of double-size and I have just sent them back asking where the missing bits are.

 

No-one I have heard from has Q4. If you signed up for PPI you get a copy showing 11 questions, but if you didn't opt for this the application shows only 9.

 

The words cut and paste come to mind.

 

DD

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Was surprised to see that there are no defaults on my credit file yet, although the red markers are piling up and it looks pretty trashed. Was still able to open a business bank account with Natwest, which was a major surprise, as I am now working again, another relief! Still no news on either account...

 

 

 

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Hi EL,

 

If you still haven't got sight of your credit agreement, see here - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclaycard/231901-tony3x-barclaycard.html

 

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Ok...update to this thread...

 

Barclaycard have now sold the lesser of the two accounts. I have recieved a Notice of Assignment from Arrow Global and some threatening letters from Rossendales to my old address ( I have my mail forwarded).

 

Thinking about writing to them and stating my position on the CCA issue, and to let them know where I am living so I can challenge this head on.

What does anyone think?

 

Obviously I still haven't seen the CCA for this account. No word at all on the Bcard/Morgan Stanley account.

 

Hope everyone is well!

 

 

 

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Hi EL,

 

Long time, no see (or post !) and hope you're well too.

 

Since your last post here, a lot has changed - particularly regarding the cases of Carey v HSBC and Kneale V Barclays.

 

The first basically says the bank doesn't have to produce your credit agreement in response to a CCA request. They should still have to produce the agreement if they wanted to take court action to enforce the a/c in court.

 

The second case effectively put an end to seeking sight of the agreement using CPR31.16.

 

Am I right in thinking they have produced T&C's for this BC a/c.

 

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