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    • Well we can't predict what the judge will believe. PE will say that they responded in the deadline and you will say they don't. Nobody can tell what a random DJ will decide. However if you go for an OOC settlement you should still be able to get some money
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No it wasn't a debt advisor, it was a TV presenter who, amongst other things, fronted a program on debt advice.

I really do appreciate all those 'thank you' emails - I'm glad I've been able to help. Apologies if I haven't acknowledged all of them.

You can also ding my gong if you prefer. :)

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True just shows how things are going story beneath.

TELLY savings expert Lorne Spicer — famed for telling cash-strapped viewers how to stay out of the red — has gone BANKRUPT.

 

The Sun can reveal the Cash In The Attic host — who is also the BBC’s online credit crunch guru — went bust last month with debts believed to be in the “thousands”.

A pal said yesterday: “Everyone was shocked when they found out. It just goes to show the credit crunch can have disastrous effects for everyone — even people who know the system inside out.”

Last night mum-of-one Lorne, 43 — who also fronts telly shows Car Booty and Beat The Bailiff — was unavailable for comment.

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Her bankruptcy order was registered at Southend County Court in her married name Donovan.

As well as dishing out money-saving tips on TV, Lorne is a regular celebrity columnist in the press. She has written two books on making money from car boot sales.

Her advice to hard-up families on the BBC’s website is: “Make a budget and stick to it. Putting the numbers down on paper will show you just where all the money is going. Set a limit on how much you are going to spend — and stick to it.”

But last September Lorne hinted at money worries of her own as she launched an art and antiques gallery in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, where she lives.

Her aim was to raise cash for charity.

 

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Lorne told how she had ploughed £5,000 into the venture, saying: “I really hope this all goes well because it’s my own money at stake.”

Last night her agent said she was “away filming” and did not want to comment.

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Am now filling Debtors petition in-just wondering about possible shortfall and where to mention it.House was reppossessed 6 months ago.Just in case anyone has debts under 15000 and doesnt know about debt relief orders-bit of info.I am interested in insolvency law, policy changes & evaluation and consultations

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Hya Tawny :)

 

Good to see you again, hope you are well.:)

When was filling in my Debtors petition, i was told to put it under list of secured

creditors,not that ive sent it in yet :rolleyes: :eek:hope this helps,

 

 

 

Tilly xx

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If the house has gone then any shortfall is now unsecured.

I really do appreciate all those 'thank you' emails - I'm glad I've been able to help. Apologies if I haven't acknowledged all of them.

You can also ding my gong if you prefer. :)

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Due to the severe shortage of work i am thinking of signing on for unemployment.Having perhaps one weeks work a month i am now getting into arrears with rent and council tax i see no alternative-have been defeated.Havent been there before-at least not since computers came out.Am not looking forward to it but what choices do i have.Any ideas.Bankruptcy court fee would be granted then.MMM-what a situation.

Tawny

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Just wondering when we went to court to get the bankruptcy papers the lady who came from the office said when you come back i will go through them.What happens then.The impression given was that when a judge had time he would authorise the bankruptcy-a kind of same day thing.Will be glad when this long stressfull- brain numbing-tiring depressing time is over.

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Hello tilly just read your link again-good job i did.I had only made one copy online you need two.Thanks.Would have looked a right lemon.

 

Your Welcome :) let us know how you get on Tuesday, will be thinking of you, im sure you will be fine :)

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Few things swirling around in the mists of my brain.

"There is nothing so useless as doing efficiently what should not be done at all".-mmm If you always do what you have always done, you will always have what you have already got"-hope not. There is never a perfect way.Only the best way until you find a better way"--ok

The only test of management, and it is a tough one, is success. But success comes more easily to those who study the world around them and are continually updating their craft, than to those who try to repeat a formula that once worked in the past" mmm-ill think about that.

"Nothing stops an organisation faster than people who believe that the way they worked yesterday is the best way to work tomorrow. To succeed not only do they have to change the way they act, they've got to change the way they think about the past"-and that. "The people who succeed in business do so not because of what they know but because of their insatiable need to know more."-never stop learning kind of thing,

"If you want your customers to talk about you - you’ve got to give them something to talk about"-how about bankruptcy. The hardest thing to understand in the world is income tax" - Albert Einstein-no comment.Please exscuse my ramblings-tommorows a big day-flapping a bit.To anyone in the depths of debt and bankruptcy i wish you well tawnyowl.

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Hi tilly was just posting when i fell asleep-been up since your last post-you should be called tillyowl-you certainly are a night bird-post has vanished so i will write again.Two ticks.

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Well walked up the steps to hell stopping to have a cig outside the county court.The floor was full of cigs probably due to the bin hanging of the wall.Through the door past the security guard sat on his chair and onwards to reception.Whispering to the receptionist that we had come to go bankrupt she announced in tones that would drown a jumbo jet engine that bankruptcys are through there.So onwards to the next office.mmm-this had reinforced glass between you and the office workers.We sat down and i then arranged the papers.Then a lady came through and went through them we had to swear on the bible that this was accurate-affadavat.Then the time came for the fee-well i didnt have all the info required so the fee was 1020.00.The court fee can be reclaimed at a future date-youve got 6 months to do this.It couldnt be done there and then-the hearing is on the 11th of may at 11am.Strange that i was repossessed on the 11thof the 11th at 11 am.We walked out of the building -glancing at my watch it was 11 mins to 11.Lottery no it wont be.I asked the lady how many people had gone bankrupt so far this year-300 so far .In one small town.In case you are wondering,reading my threads you will know i havent got any money-i managed to borrow it off a relative.I hope this is the last time i borrow.Iam lucky how many people would go bankrupt but havent got access to the fees.I also can show the hearing no to any baliffs that may turn up.Will see them off.Thanks for your interest tilly and hope you will manage it when the time is right.It isnt over yet-there may be twists and turns but the process has begun. Tawnyowl.

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Well Tawny at least now you have started the process, your on way to passing the final hurdle, i can't bleieve they charged you extra sheeeesh :eek: number 11 seems to follow you, maybe it will be your lucky number one day,:) you should have asked the woman to say it a bit louder cos you couldn't hear her lol been following your thread for a year Tawny the ups and downs even the laughs in between, the last chapter will soon be closed hun.

 

 

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Can you give a breakdown of the amount you had to pay (court fee and OR's fee)?

 

It has obviously gone up recently.

I really do appreciate all those 'thank you' emails - I'm glad I've been able to help. Apologies if I haven't acknowledged all of them.

You can also ding my gong if you prefer. :)

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Breakdown of the fee-court fee -150.00 OR fee 360.00-believe it went up 15.00 recently.As both me and the wife went for bankruptcy thats why the final bill was 1020.00.My wifes debts were much smaller than mine but due to shortfalll on house prob 30k plus didnt want a bill landing on mat in a few years when hopefully things have recovered.Surely you dont stay this low for long.Am at the bottom now.The hearing would have been on monday but due to being a bank holiday was put back.Keep up the good work Palomino-have read many of your posts.And thanks Tilly and everyone else who has advised and supported me through these difficult times.Gives me a bit of strength-kind of feeling of friendship.Cheers.Not over yet but ongoing.

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It was a strange day shortly after coming out of court a earthquake hit the area.Certainly shook me up.At first i thought a banker had dropped his wallet till i checked.AN EARTHQUAKE has hit the Fylde Coast. Residents have reported a strong shaking, lasting around 10 seconds just before 11.30am. British Geological Survey bosses confirmed there had been a tremor which was believed to have registered 3.7 on the Richter scale.What next.

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Well its the bankruptcy hearing tommorow and must admit feeling slightly nervous.As i understand it you go in front of a judge-not for the first time,and he may ask ,or not have you had advice which is yes,then he will stamp the papers allowing the bankruptcy.Then its off to the private room and wait for the phone to ring-bit like deal or no deal,bet waiting for the phone to ring is a joy.5 mins -half a hour or more you have to answer the phone.Ok ive got that the ORs assistant then asks-what- anybody got any revision papers.Does he or she go through the papers again or is it more.Is it gestapo like or gentle but probing.What do i need to take-is a double whisky reccomended or just my copy of petition.Appreciate anyones recent experience of this.One things for sure i will post tommorow in great detail what happened.

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Well back up the concrete steps,was a bit early so stopped to have a cig before going in,the floor still covered in cigs-you guessed it bin still hanging off the wall.Through the door past the security guard sat on his chair and onwards to reception.Gave name and waited.Very busy but finally got asked to follow a very pleasent lady who on the way told us the judge had allready approved the petitions.Past through rooms full of files and finally entered a very pleasent office with nice views of the area.She told us after going through our name adresss postcode etc that the official receivers office would be phoning and we both would need to speak to them..Due to the fax machine breaking down -here we go i thought, she had to ring the OR office arrange the interview.Finally they rang up the lady went out of the room and i spoke to a lady.She went through the form quickly not probing explaining that they would be sending a bankruptcy pack with some forms to fill in and to send as much paperwork as they require-envelopes will be provided.And to go to the bank and tell them we are bankrupt and see if they will keep the account open.If not to ring my case worker immediatly.They also said they are so busy that its taking up to ten weeks to contact creditors so send each of them a copy of the bankruptcy order if they are pressurising in any way.Looking at my bankruptcy order i noticed the judge had allowed the bankruptcy at exactly 11am.So reppossesion at 11am on the 11th of the 11th-presented the petition on11am -bankrupt 11am on the 11th-wow.But am now finally BANKRUPT.

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Hi Tawnyowl

 

I just clued into the tail-end of your thread. I, too, had dreaded facing the inevitable of bankruptcy - the shame, the stigma etc. But I can honestly say what a relief! Why didn't I do it sooner?

 

In my case, after having the petition filed at the High Court (I live outside the UK now), I've only had 2 contacts from the OR - the first being the telephone interview which went surprisingly well. It was not overly formal, didn't probe into everything and wasn't at all judgmental or uncomfortable.

 

Then I heard nothing until a couple of weeks ago (the time lapse between contacts was about 5 months - excruciating!) when the OR wrote asking me to complete an updated questionnaire to allow them to judge whether I am eligible for early discharge. They will be contacting my creditors to ask for any objections. Hopefully they'll be so swamped with other bankrupts and defaulters (who hopefully owe more than I do!) that they will not object.

 

I just now have to wait a few weeks to find out how that went. Hopefully then I will get the early discharge and be free.

 

It truly is like a weight lifting from your shoulders isn't it?

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