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    • What do you guys think the chances are for her?   She followed the law, they didnt, then they engage in deception, would the judge take kindly to being lied to by these clowns? If we have a case then we should proceed and not allow these blatant dishonest cheaters to succeed 
    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
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    • Yes, it was, but in practice we've found time after time that judges will not rule against PPCs solely on the lack of PP.  They should - but they don't.  We include illegal signage in WSs, but more as a tactic to show the PPC up as spvis rather than in the hope that the judge will act on that one point alone. But sue them for what?  They haven't really done much apart from sending you stupid letters. Breach of GDPR?  It could be argued they knew you had Supremacy of Contact but it's a a long shot. Trespass to your vehicle?  I know someone on the Parking Prankster blog did that but it's one case out of thousands. Surely best to defy them and put the onus on them to sue you.  Make them carry the risk.  And if they finally do - smash them. If you want, I suppose you could have a laugh at the MA's expense.  Tell them about the criminality they have endorsed and give them 24 hours to have your tickets cancelled and have the signs removed - otherwise you will contact the council to start enforcement for breach of planning permission.
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What you need to do is follow the original pcn appeal all the way through right upto the traffic penalty tribunal . Once the appeal has been won and the ticket has been cancelled you can then go after whoever you want to go after. Until the ticket is sorted you do not have a very good chance in fighting this. Speak to whoever you want on tuesday and then post back on here again.

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Hi, Here is a copy of the letter i am going to send to the local council parking services, in reply to the NTO I have been sent.

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir / Madam,

I write to inform you that I was unaware that a Penalty Charge Notice had been issued to the vehicle for which I once was the Registered Keeper.

A Penalty Charge Notice was never handed to me or attached to the vehicle as required by Section 66(1) and Section 77 of the 1991 Road Traffic Act at the time of the alleged contravention described in the Notice to Owner.

I would therefore be grateful for confirmation that the Penalty Charge Notice / Notice to Owner will be cancelled.

Should you decide to pursue the Penalty Charge then I wish to put you on notice that I will require the following:

· The attendance of the Parking Attendant at the adjudication hearing in accordance with Section 6 of the Road Traffic (Parking Adjudicator) Regulations

· Copies of photographs of the PCN attached to the vehicle (please treat as a Data Protection Act request if necessary)

· Confirmation that the Parking Attendant recorded the tax disc details from the vehicle

· Copies of the entry in the Parking Attendant's Notebook detailing the issue of the PCN

· Details of the number of PCNs issued and subsequently cancelled due to Parking Attendant error in the last three years (please treat as a Freedom of Information Act 2000 request if necessary).

· Details of the error rate for the Parking Attendant claiming to have issued this PCN and the number of PCNs issued by this Parking Attendant which are not accompanied by photographic evidence (last 12 months)

I would be grateful if you could acknowledge receipt of this letter in accordance with the Council's protocols and procedures in dealing with communications from members of the public and advise as to the likely timeframe for your response.

Yours faithfully,

 

 

 

 

 

 

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LATEST UPDATE

 

last week I received a letter from the council parking dept stating they wish to persue the ticket and are giving me a chance to go to parking appeal.

 

Tonight I had a visit from the local police requesting me to go in on wednesday for a recorded interview regarding thieft of the wheelclamp or criminal damage to a clamp.

 

I will be going to appeal for the ticket when I have laid out my case fully.

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DON'T GO but if you do whatever happens refuse to make a statement until you have legal representation & try not to use the duty solicitor as he/she has a position within the system to consider. Get your own

 

Remember 99% of all convictions rely to a great extent on what the accused utters during interview

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Give it a break. You do not need to have a breif present. As long as you answer the questions you do not have aproblem. Also the police when interviewing will ask you or tell you as they are questioning wether you can remain silent or you have to answer.

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Of dear

 

I repeat do not go as a pound to penny they do not have enough evidence to arrest you but as soon as you open your mouth they may well have.

 

Also to attend an interview (even an invited one) where criminal charges may result without legal representation is very very bad advice indeed

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I have a prepared statement IF i am arrested or cautioned.

 

 

Statement

 

 

 

I was invited to xxx Police Station to give my side of the story with regard to an alleged theft and criminal damage to a vehicle clamp. On arrival I was formerly arrested on this alleged charge.

I am therefore not prepared to say anything which may be used against me should this matter go to court.

I am prepared however to make the following statement regarding this alleged offence.

 

  • I both telephoned and wrote to Merton council informing them that my vehicle had been clamped illegally and gave them every opportunity to remove this clamp. This they refused to do.
  • I therefore removed the clamp without damage. I took the clamp, un damaged to Wimbledon Police station on Sunday 24th February 2008 at about 1 pm
  • The desk Officer, after going to speak to a superior Officer told me that they were not interested as this was a civil matter and they refused to accept the clamp. I therefore returned the clamp to the location where it had been attached to my vehicle, and informed the council.
  • I have since then been invoiced for this clamp, and other fees by Merton Council. I then took them to Croydon County Court on Monday August 11th 2008 and won a Court Order to have the alleged Parking Ticket put back to Notice to Owner stage and the return of my vehicle without cost to myself and cancelling any bailiff action.
  • I am very disappointed with the attitude of both the police and the council in this matter, as it appears that the police are not interested in the truth or the law, but seem to act only on council instructions with no regard for my rights at all.
  • I have a very large file regarding this matter that I will be more than happy to produce in court if required. I tried to show the police this before and they were not interested.
  • Needless to say I plead not guilty to both charges.

 

..............................................................................................................................

 

 

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Yes, As they have already clearly demonstrated they won't be interested in the why only the how. In otherwords they will only be interested in the alleged crime ie criminal damage or loss of another property.

 

What you should have done was after advising them taken the clamp home for safekeeping not abandon it

 

& finally in your statement your admitting what you did thereby condemning yourself

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I have a prepared statement IF i am arrested or cautioned.

 

 

Statement

 

 

 

I was invited to xxx Police Station to give my side of the story with regard to an alleged theft and criminal damage to a vehicle clamp. On arrival I was formerly arrested on this alleged charge.

I am therefore not prepared to say anything which may be used against me should this matter go to court.

I am prepared however to make the following statement regarding this alleged offence.

 

  • I both telephoned and wrote to Merton council informing them that my vehicle had been clamped illegally and gave them every opportunity to remove this clamp. This they refused to do.
  • I therefore removed the clamp without damage. I took the clamp, un damaged to Wimbledon Police station on Sunday 24th February 2008 at about 1 pm
  • The desk Officer, after going to speak to a superior Officer told me that they were not interested as this was a civil matter and they refused to accept the clamp. I therefore returned the clamp to the location where it had been attached to my vehicle, and informed the council.
  • I have since then been invoiced for this clamp, and other fees by Merton Council. I then took them to Croydon County Court on Monday August 11th 2008 and won a Court Order to have the alleged Parking Ticket put back to Notice to Owner stage and the return of my vehicle without cost to myself and cancelling any bailiff action.
  • I am very disappointed with the attitude of both the police and the council in this matter, as it appears that the police are not interested in the truth or the law, but seem to act only on council instructions with no regard for my rights at all.
  • I have a very large file regarding this matter that I will be more than happy to produce in court if required. I tried to show the police this before and they were not interested.
  • Needless to say I plead not guilty to both charges.

 

..............................................................................................................................

 

 

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Mate you are comitting suicide by giving this out on the forum. Also as a direct result of this you will be charged and get a criminal record. Do not take this letter 9in and do not post information which is easily recognisable. !!!!

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