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    • just to be clear here..... the DVLA do not send letters if a drivers licence address differs from any car's V5C that shows the same driver as it's registered keeper.
    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later then your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place  park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and unload the children reloading the children getting seat belts on  driving to the exit stopping for cars pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
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£395 and counting now, on my 5th letter from them,they don't know when to give in!!!

 

I've sent a letter now telling them I own the car but I wasn't the driver that day, also that I was working in Birminghan that day too, my employer can vouch for that. So I'm just waiting for them to reply.

 

I am also waiting for their bailiffs letter and maybe court action. We'll see what happens.

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Hi Everyone, I have am a newly registered user and would like some advise on UKCPS Ltd based at Huddersfield, who appear to be a private car park management firm, my wife was out for meal a few evenings ago with her friend in Leeds, it was a very wet night and they were struggling to find a parking spot, they came across some spaces in front of a cafe bar which was closed, there was no sign to say it was private and they thought it would be OK to park there while they went for their meal for a couple of hours, when they returned they found a 'Parking Notice Charge' stuck to the windscreen for a sum of £75. They couldn't believe it, and went to find where the signs were that warned of this, the signs found were not readable unless you went right up to them, it seems like a [problem] to me but can really do without a load of hassle, help what should we do.

 

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Absolutely nothing! These vermin provide their services 'free' to landowners in exchange for the right to terrorise motorists and make them pay unreasonable amounts. I could say you could appeal and say the signs weren't prominent enough, or the shop whose car park you use was not open for business. Or indeed, you don't know who the driver was, but any contact just winds up your blood pressure. Should they write to you, there is only 3 things you need to remember;

 

Keep their correspondence

Do not respond to it

Chuckle to yourself with each letter and their escalating threats.

 

They will use every trick to make you respond and pay, even hoping to wear you down. It was an innocent mistake, and as far as you are concerned, that is an end to the matter.

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it seems like a [problem] to me but can really do without a load of hassle, help what should we do.

You're dead right it is a [problem]. Buzby has given good advice. Have a read of the Private Parking Companies guide

in the stickies section of the forum and you'll discover how much of a [problem] it is.

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there was no sign to say it was private and they thought it would be OK to park there while they went for their meal for a couple of hours, when they returned they found a 'Parking Notice Charge' stuck to the windscreen for a sum of £75.

 

At least you got a parking notice I didn't even get one!!! :mad:, If I did get one I think I would have paid it off. Makes me more determined not to pay them anymore.

RIP My Little Angel Callam, Still Born 30th October 2007. Mummy and Daddy Will Always Miss You. YNWA xXx

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when they returned they found a 'Parking Notice Charge' stuck to the windscreen for a sum of £75. They couldn't believe it, and went to find where the signs were that warned of this, the signs found were not readable unless you went right up to them, it seems like a [problem] to me but can really do without a load of hassle, help what should we do.

 

All you have is an invoice disguised as a parking ticket. The law does not allow for private companies to give out financial penalties. If a random plasterer you'd never met put an invoice through your door, would you pay it?

These scamsters pay £2.50 to the DVLA for your address and then bombard you with letters, beoming increasingly threatening. Ignore them and they give up after 4 or 5 letters. Don't contact them.

 

They will not take you to court. They just want you to think they might so you'll be scared into paying up.

 

Be prepared for all such of lies in the letters like "the owner is liable", "you agreed to the terms and conditions" and "to avoid a CCJ you need to pay now".

 

There needs to be a law brought in to wipe these ****** companies from the face of the earth.

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Right I've recieved a letter AGAIN from them, this time replying to my letter saying that it was the owner that is responsible irrespectful of who was driving the car that day. I can tell you now I wasn't in Leeds that day I was in Birmingham. It also says in the letter to put it mildly I don't have a leg to stand on if it went to the courts.

 

So I will continue to ignore the letters. Lets hope they stop pestering me!!!

RIP My Little Angel Callam, Still Born 30th October 2007. Mummy and Daddy Will Always Miss You. YNWA xXx

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It also says in the letter to put it mildly I don't have a leg to stand on if it went to the courts.

 

You probably received their template letter. They have two:

 

• your appeal has been unsuccessful. Pay up.

• you are a smartarse who knows the law, but we don't want to admit we're wrong. So here's some utterly irrelevant legalise to try and make you pay up.

 

I think you got the second!

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Oh! the owner is responsible, no matter who was driving, I'd like them to point me in the direction of the legal authority to support that statement:D:D:D

What a bunch of bankers.

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I've not actually heard of any UKCPS court cases, I actually live in that part of the world so could have expected to hear about the odd one. I've been directly involved with one [a relative - after a dose of ignoring UKCPS eventually did.......nothing] and have heard about a few others from aquaintences which went much the same way.

 

With their "owner is responsible" and £3 / day "liquidated damages" I don't see them hurrying to court to have their paperwork examined.

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Hi there

 

I have also just been landed with a ticket from UKCPS Ltd and was astonished that they charge 75 quid straight up!

I also parked outside a private garage in leeds but it was about half six and the shop had shut for the day. I parked where it said "MOT only" but I figured since it was after work then it would be ok. It didnt actually say "no parking at any time" or reveal you are at risk of fines if you park here unlawfully.

Can I still hold firm and not pay the parking charge as other people havent done on these forums?

 

MAny thanks for your help and advice

 

LM

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Hi Leedsman and welcome,

 

I'm surprised after just reading this thread you are contemplating doing anything but ignoring the unenforceable invoice you have received;)

regards

Please remember our troops, fighting and dying in our name. God protect them.

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You can lead a horse to water...

 

There is no need to 'have a defence'. There is no 'getting away with it'.

 

You need to understand that this is a [problem]. You don't owe them a penny.

If the sign had said you must pay £10,000 would you be writing them a cheque?

 

Please ignore these clowns and do not pay them a penny. All that will happen is that you will receive 5 or 6 letters. Ignoring them is the easiest thing in the world to do.

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It would appear Leedsman has a merc. lamma - we do take recovery action with success and will not hesitate to do so in this case should the parking charge not be settled in due course. Leedsman may contact us to discuss at anytime

 

Please do not contact UKCPS and fall for this poster's intimidation Leedsman.

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Perhaps leedsman would contact me using the private message service on this forum - he has nothing to lose. if all you posters are right he doesnt need to pay and if i am right he will avoid a court case and settle this amicably

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Perhaps leedsman would contact me using the private message service on this forum - he has nothing to lose. if all you posters are right he doesnt need to pay and if i am right he will avoid a court case and settle this amicably

Its very unwise to seek advice by PM. Far better, Peternet, that you give the OP your advice in open forum so that we all get the benefit of your wisdom. I could do with a laugh.....

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Leedsman, you have a choice. Either fall for Peternet's intimidation or blank UKCPS completely. In the most miniscule of chances that court papers are issued then I'm quite sure that the experts on here will rally round and you will get the best of defences. UKCPS paperwork is not the best, their £3 / day "liquidated damages" is just so much nonsense. I really can not see any hope of UKCPS winning against a proper defence.

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