ANPR opt-out

[Chesterexpress]

Oh and by the way, your suggestion that someone contacts DVLA in order to find out their details, when not connected with a motoring offence is advising them to commit a criminal offence.. Therefore if that is the sort of advice you give, then I would suggest that everyone takes anything you say with a pinch of salt.

[buzby]

buzby for once will you accept that you really don't know everything....I know that must be hard for someone like you, however it really is true.

Insults? I'll certainly accept that I don't know everything - that said, my interest in the misuses of ANPR are a special area of interest. Since the current postings were based on ANPR being an aid to wiping out vehicle crime, I simply pointed out this was not the case, and never will be an effective method compared to traditional policing - I've already shown how a local force values it - what more proof would you need? Still, since ANPR isn't the holy grail you think it is, if you wish to continue to fool yourself, feel free.

[buzby]

Oh and by the way,

 

It's called 'being resourceful' - in much the same way as DCAs, Corporate Britain and even Clamping companies operate. A shame if your supposed moral values prevent you being motivated in a similar way, however if my pet had been run down by a car, I can assure you I would use such a tactic. There is no stipulation to any 'motoring offence' it is a 'reasonable cause', so do keep on with these irrelevances won't you?

[Chesterexpress]

buzby, first off there were no insults whatsoever, truth yes but no insults.

 

As for you advising illegal ("resourceful") activities, I suggest you take your ill advised advice somewhere else.

[Chesterexpress]

however if my pet had been run down by a car, I can assure you I would use such a tactic.

 

If your pet caused me to have an accident, then it would be me coming after you the irresponsible pet owner.

[buzby]

For someone who has been a CAG member for barely eight weeks, that's pretty rich! I'll treat that with the contempt it truly deserves. As for you coming after an irresponsible pet owner - wow, why not extend this to irresponsible horses and children too? If you're driving that fast that there is an 'accident', you share or are wholly responsible for blame... but that's an argument for a different day.

[Rob S]

'Issuing a denial' FFS get a life! I did not recall it, but just because RobbieBoy thinks it germane, the information provided was both accurate and relevant. Also, it's irrelevant here.

 

So you think it was ok to advise someone to lie to DVLA to obtain registered keeper details regarding an incident that had nothing whatsoever to do with their car?

[Rob S]

Insults? Since the current postings were based on ANPR being an aid to wiping out vehicle crime, I simply pointed out this was not the case,.

 

No, this is what you actually said:-

 

"ANPR is a case in point, if your car is stolen I guarantee it will never be of use as an aid to recovery"

We are still waiting for your guarantee that stolen vehicles will not be recovered with the assistance of ANPR.

[buzby]

As to your first post, it is not relevant to this thread. As to the second, bearing in mind (and I'm repeating myself because you certainly aren't paying attention) ANPR is just that, the number of mobile systems that are actually deployed are a minuscule percentage of the number of ANPR capture devices installed in the UK. Assuming we happen to have the odd 'token' system that has available personnel, an active data connection and a fast response from the vehicle database lookup (which is quite a lot to expect) an errant vehicle may well be trapped in this way. All this of course assume the felon hasn't bothered to disguise the original number. But then no criminal would ever thing of doing that. However, since these are the exception and not the rule, ANPR simply provides a where and when of a reg number, assuming there's no mis-read.

 

Sorry if that doesn't float your boat. But being such a valued supporter of ANPR, I'm surprised you don't think it can effectively stop the export of stolen vehicles at UK's ports - which have ANPR cameras on the linkspans...

[Rob S]

That's a nice bit of waffle Buzby, but you still haven't answered the question.Here it is again, in case you have forgotten:-

 

Please could you tell us how you can guarantee that no stolen vehicles will be recovered as a result of ANPR? Or are you now accepting that your statement was erroneous and you are now retracting it?

 

As for supporting ANPR, all I was doing was highlighting the ridiculous statement that you made earlier for the balderdash it clearly was, and nothing more. You seem to take great delight in doing this to other posters when they post erroneously, but you have difficulty in taking it when the shoe is on the other foot.

 

And my first question might not be relevant to this thread, but you are not getting off the hook that easily. Obviously if you don't answer it, then others will just see you as someone who's information on CAG is, at times, very dubious.

[buzby]

[Yawn]

 

Haven't your batteries run down yet?

[Rob S]

For someone who has been a CAG member for barely eight weeks, that's pretty rich!

 

Funny, there is nothing in the forum rules about length of membership of CAG having an impact on the validity of their posts. There have been plenty of CAG members who have given great advice from their very first post. Length of membership of CAG is irrelevant.

 

I guess your problem is being unable to accept criticism, hence your feeble attempt to deflect attention away from the validity of their post.

[Rob S]

[Yawn]

 

Haven't your batteries run down yet?

 

No, plenty more juice in them:D

 

Still waiting for the answers old chap.

[lilal]

anpr may help to recover the car ,if the low life is that dim not to change the plates just after nicking it.the money spent on anpr would have been better spent on more traffic plod ,poor driving has got to be more of an issue than vehicle taking.this government convinces people that speed is the main cause of accidents.driving without due care or careless driving is the real cause.how,s your anpr/speed camera gonna stop that .a better traffic police should have been in place first then anpr could have been brought in then if needed

[Rob S]

You are correct Lilal. More traffic police are needed, as numbers have been reduced considerably over the years.

 

But technologies like ANPR are a useful tool in helping detect vehicles that have been used in crime. Mention has been made of vehicles with cloned plates not being detected, but this is not strictly true. if owners of vehicles whose plates have been cloned report it to police, a police report can be placed on the vehicle record and this will be picked up by ANPR if the vehicle goes through.

 

Ultimately we need a change in government policy with regards to the speed = safety debate, but whilst the cash registers keep on ringing it is unlikely to happen soon.

[patdavies]

[Yawn]

 

Haven't your batteries run down yet?

 

I see no reason for this - an ad hominem attack.

 

Resorting to such tactic is usually a sign that somebody cannot refute the argument or answer the questions coherently and instead rely on a personal attack

[freakyleaky]

Can I ask, if a speed camera is triggered by a vehicle breaking the speed limmit, and there is another car within the white lines at the time that is travelling below the limmit, can the camera wrongly issue the ticket to the vehicle that was withion the limmit? This is on a dual carridge way!

[Rob S]

As long as the photos are examined properly by the scamera partnership, then the scenario you describe shouldn't happen. But I wouldn't be surprised if it has. It would be a question of asking to see the photos to see if there are any other vehicles in shot, if the scenario you describe has actually happened.

[Rob S]

I've already shown how a local force values it - what more proof would you need?

 

No, you've given details of uncorroborated conversations you have had with a couple of local officers and nothing more. That is not proof by any stretch of the imagination.

[patdavies]

Can I ask, if a speed camera is triggered by a vehicle breaking the speed limmit, and there is another car within the white lines at the time that is travelling below the limmit, can the camera wrongly issue the ticket to the vehicle that was withion the limmit? This is on a dual carridge way!

 

For a Gatso, the lines are the secondary check.

 

A Gatso takes 2 photographs; they are time stamped, but usually 0.5 seconds apart. Since the lines are a known distance apart, the distance that you have travelled in the time between the photographs can be used to calculate your true speed.

[freakyleaky]

Thanks Pat and Rob. It happened to me last week although I have not received a ticket as yet. I was driving through the lined area below the limmit when a car came behind me and overtook. as it overtook me the camera flashed as he must have been doing at least 50 and the limmit was 40. I was worried that the camera may have picked up my plate as the offending vehicle.

Obviously I now know that they will be able to tell that I was below the limmit from the timing between the lines.

Thankyou both!

[Bookworm]

Can I ask, if a speed camera is triggered by a vehicle breaking the speed limmit, and there is another car within the white lines at the time that is travelling below the limmit, can the camera wrongly issue the ticket to the vehicle that was withion the limmit? This is on a dual carridge way!

If you are flashed by a GATSO then ACPO guidelines state there must be only one car in the frame otherwise you have no primary speed reading for a definate car and only the secondary, no corroboration and therefore no conviction (in theory).

 

Answered given to me on Pepipoo when I asked a while back.

[buzby]

I see no reason for this - an ad hominem attack.

 

Resorting to such tactic is usually a sign that somebody cannot refute the argument or answer the questions coherently and instead rely on a personal attack

 

Neither could I - did you see who lobbed the first stone? Indeed, all of Mr R's comments invariably start off with insults. I only respond. As for refuting an argument - there's never been one that I can see, simply a blind gainsaying that does not promote the debate or indeed add anything to it. But hey, the world is full of folk who cannot accept any other PoV than their own. Like a dog with a bone, the old ground just keeps on coming round. I've got much better things to do with my time than entertain someone that cannot see the full picture.

[buzby]

No, plenty more juice in them:D

 

Still waiting for the answers old chap.

 

You'll get them in the next life if your lucky.

[buzby]

No, you've given details of uncorroborated conversations you have had with a couple of local officers and nothing more. That is not proof by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Not for you, no. But then I can live with that - especially as you've not explained why if ANPR is so effective, why there as so many stolen cars out there, and they're not getting any less?