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    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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I suggest you go read Shelley's Barclay thread

and martin2006 thread

 

it is possible but very rare now

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

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hi all

 

Please help me save my fading eyesight... This site is crammed full of great posts... However i wish i saved the post but there was a great one which in the POC stated that he was allowed to claim for this money even though it was beyond the statute of limitations because of a mistake.. The oc had not realized the bank should not have made. The charges... Hope someone can point me to the post...

 

Once i have this i will post the poc i hope to use....

 

Hope you can help with this PPI court case (FOS has not upheld my case because i must have requested PPI … their evidence was a blank unsigned form i had never seen)...

 

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The pre-action protocol says that "The letter should include the basis on which the claim is made, a summary of the facts, what the claimant wants from the defendant, and if money, how the amount is calculated".

 

Your LBA can be short but it should include the basic details of your claim.

 

Regardless of what you put in the LBA, the Defendant is going to have at least 28 days from your POC to file their Defence (assuming they file an acknowledgement of service).

 

Personally I think that holding information back is pointless. 28 days should be enough time for them to work out what to write in their Defence, surely?

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hi all

I have prepared spreadsheet of overlimit claim and now need a sample of the initial claim letter to send to the bank.

would greatlu appreciate any help

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adapt to suit........remember the oft no longer exist but you can refer to them

Account number

Account number................... ................ date etc

Dear Sir/Madam

Following media reports,and an investigation into credit card charges by the Office of Fair Trading,which I have recently been made aware of,I now understand,that the regime of fees which you have been applying/applied to my account in relation to late fees, and over limit charges, are unlawful at Common Law,Statute and Consumer regulations,in that they did not/do not, represent a genuine pre-estimate of your actual costs.

I would draw your attention to the terms of the contract which you agreed to at the time that this account was opened. It is an implied term of that contract that you would conduct yourselves lawfully and in a manner which complies with UK law,and in consideration of fair business practices and good faith.

It is my contention, that you have failed to operate my account in a manner condusive to the above,and have demonstrated a lack of fiduciary duty.

I calculate that you have taken £xxx plus £xxxx which you have charged me in interestwhich total £xxx. Additionally,you have entered a default notice against my credit record. This default occurred merely in respect of unlawful charges levied by you, or was the result of impecuniositiy’ caused directly by the taking by you of penalty charges which you had applied to my account.

In recent years,Courts have been happy to accept claims for bank charges that exceed 6 years,whilst having regards to the precedent set between KLEINWORT BENSON -v- LINCOLN CITY COUNCIL under section 32 © of the limitation acticon 1980.

Should county courticon action be needed I will be seeking to rely on this.

Therefore this letter requests a refund of all charges indicated including interest 14 days from the date of this letter.

I request that payment is made directly to me,by cheque,and that any refund in whole or part should not be allocated to any set off or third parties.

Should this occur,my claim will be deemed as unsettled and I will proceed to the Courts for recovery.

You now have 14 days to respond positively,and in the absence of this,I will put you on notice with a further 14 days,letter before action.

I trust this clarifies my position.

Yours Faithfully

Enc; Schedule of charges

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hi all

first ... really really reat refresh of the site... love it

 

is there a poc to reclaim unfair credit card charges please??

 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Particulars of claim needed - credit card reclaiming

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/267465-charges-older-than-6-years-won-compound-intt-and-no-set-off/?page=3

 

post 62 might need slightly updating mind

sure ive pointed you here before and the martin2006 threads

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38 minutes ago, dx100uk said:

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/267465-charges-older-than-6-years-won-compound-intt-and-no-set-off/?page=3

 

post 62 might need slightly updating mind

sure ive pointed you here before and the martin2006 threads

you certainly have dx.... i had thought that I would do things properly and use letters and templates in the library... but if this is good enough that suits me fine... incidentally where would you say it needs updatng or modifyin?

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Still mulling over what interest rate to use.

29.9% is what i have noticed on another thread and DX100UK has told me the spreadsheet to use

in all my cases i ran into difficulties around 2004 and stopped all payments...

so while i paid my credit cards including unfair charges i stopped with debt on all of them.

so does this matter???

i hav read a fair bit about restitution .. and while it looks a bit of a cheek I feel I can take MBNA to court to reclaim my charges and a huge amount of interest ... much more than the charges.....

 

this is a sanity check really dx100uk... would you agree??

charges are around 400 but the restitution interest puts it at 3500+

also can you confirm 29.9% interest is correct and how is it derived please ... in case I am challenged...

 

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Guys

slick132 or dx100uk or anyone who can advise..

please give me some guidance....

i really cannot find the interest tutorial... I need to submit a letter before action to mbn for unfair charges

but i really need to understand whether i use 29.9% and why this number .. for restitutional interest

 

please help

 

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numerous 1 post threads merged.

not sure where you are thinking or followed a thread where MBNA cough on restitutional interest?

we know Barclays do at 24.9%.

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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DX100UK...

I'm not finding any thread where anyone has been successful... but that does not stop me from trying... I simply wanted to have a reason why i was charging restitutional interest.

what arguments would you expect them to deny restitutional interest??

What d you think?? any advice would be really really helpful...

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there have been several wins over the years particularly with Barclays though they mostly caved in once court papers are issued

you can only search here just as I can.

restitutional interest court claim or alike I would think

 

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put your search in quote marks "restitutional interest"

or

"interest in restitution"

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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9 hours ago, dx100uk said:

put your search in quote marks "restitutional interest"

or

"interest in restitution"

dx100uk ... thank you for your thoughts and advice ... really appreciate it.

 

i have over quite a few years been on a number of occasions reading about restitution .. i even bought an excellent book... there is so much case law around it...

we all know though that at the end of the day one person in court will decide on how they see the case ... there is no logical predictable outcome... so preparation is key particularly the arguments you present.

 

My current thinking is that the claim in restiution is to recover the unjust enrichment: so if you accept that the bank took your money off you in mistake and used it in their commercial activities to lend to their customers then the compound interest rate you should use is their average interest rate across the last 15 or so years... or to put it simpler and easier to understand for the judge the apr used at the outset...

i was simply curious to understand where slick132 used 24.9 ... i assume tis was the equivalent apr used b barclaycard..

 

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Hi all... I have just re-read this thread and I am disturbed by the way I have been hopping in and out of this thread...

 

my sincere apologies...

 

My father suffered a stroke last April and triggered alhzeimers ... he spent the next six months in hospital while I struggled to fight the system for funding for him and find a care home he deserved... he has two weeks ago worsened and although has marginaly improved ... he is close to the end... so its been a tough twelve months and i am mentally and physically exhausted...

I recognise that i need to wrk hard researching my claims to recover any money i can... so i really appreciate your advice and importantly your patience with me..

 

many many thanks to you all... ill try to do better...

 

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Guys

grappling with the interest to charge... looks like all the charges incurred 2.2071% monthly interest... using http://www.stoozing.com/calculator/apr-rate-converter.php to convert to apr

 

non compounded works out at 26.52% wheras compounded is a massive 29.95%

questions:

which should i use?

and

any comments or observations please?

 

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depends upon your total

and small track claim limit

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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sorry dx100uk... of course … the risks...

i have two claims this is the smaller of the two... but with the higher rate of interest just over 6k

 

is this within small claims??

one further small hopefully complication... 

i have already sent out a demand using standard template and the two ppi spreadsheets ie interest as charged by them then 8% from that point … and that came to almost 1k i think...

i got a bog off letter but im going to have to start the next letter with having taken advice I submitted an incorrect spreadsheet... sigh... less haste....

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within 10k limit then

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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