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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
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I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Hi all,

 

I've just gone past a mobile camera van on my local road, and think I might have been doing about 40 in a 30....just a couple of questions:

 

- The back of the van(where the camera was) was point in the same direction as my travel, but on the opposite side of the road. I.E. it was pointing towards oncoming traffic on the same side of the road, which was the opposite side of the road to that on which I was travelling. Any idea if this means my car was being "monitored" or not?

- Is there anything regarding markings/alerts of a van legally? They had tucked in behind some trees so it was impossible to see until you had gone past.

- Presumably 40 in a 30 would usually be 3 points and £60 fine?

 

Thanks in advance - panicking somewhat as never ever been done for speeding or any other motoring thing before!!!

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Hi all,

 

The back of the van(where the camera was) was point in the same direction as my travel, but on the opposite side of the road. I.E. it was pointing towards oncoming traffic on the same side of the road, which was the opposite side of the road to that on which I was travelling. Any idea if this means my car was being "monitored" or not?

 

If the van was on the oposite side of the road with the camera facing your oncoming traffic, then that is who it was checking.

 

 

The cameras record the speed of the APPROACHING vehicles, otherwise they would be trying to prosecute you for travelling at MINUS 40 miles per hour presumably (as you were travelling away from them when the camera was pointed at you).

 

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Stop travelling at 40 miles an hour on a 30mph road in future please!! :)

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If the van was on the oposite side of the road with the camera facing your oncoming traffic, then that is who it was checking.

 

 

The cameras record the speed of the APPROACHING vehicles, otherwise they would be trying to prosecute you for travelling at MINUS 40 miles per hour presumably (as you were travelling away from them when the camera was pointed at you).

 

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Stop travelling at 40 miles an hour on a 30mph road in future please!! :)

 

Not true I'm afraid GATSO cameras get you as you go past photographing the rear of the vehicle.

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Stop travelling at 40 miles an hour on a 30mph road in future please!! :)

 

I know :) lol

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Not true I'm afraid GATSO cameras get you as you go past photographing the rear of the vehicle.

Speed Cameras - Gatso, Truvelo, SPECS cameras, Peek, Speedcurb, Watchman, Traffic Light, DS2, Mobile speed traps

 

He wasn't asking about GATSO.

 

The speed camera vans use a fixed camera position and are therefore presumably set up in the best vantage point to clearly observe as many cars passing as possible with the camera being able to record the number plate of offenders.

 

Setting up on the oposite side of the road and pointing the camera a vehicles travelling away from them on the other lane would at the very least be foolhardy as many of the speeders observed would not be able to be prosecuted because their plate was obscured by a vehicle travelling towards the camera van! Also the angle at which the laser would have to be aimed most likely would result in the camera not receiving a "ping" back because it would bounce off the car at an angle into the ether.

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Cheers crem - certainly seems a good point, where the van was located any cars travelling the other way would block the path of any video/signal pointing at my car....

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as ever G&M you always wish to take the discussion away from common sense and digress into theoretical what ifs and maybes when I believe you know full well how the camera vans typically operate, and it isn't by placing vans on the wrong side of the road and chancing to luck that they will be able to observe and record vehicles across carrigeways.

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as ever G&M you always wish to take the discussion away from common sense and digress into theoretical what ifs and maybes when I believe you know full well how the camera vans typically operate, and it isn't by placing vans on the wrong side of the road and chancing to luck that they will be able to observe and record vehicles across carrigeways.

 

I was simply correcting your claim that

 

"The cameras record the speed of the APPROACHING vehicles, otherwise they would be trying to prosecute you for travelling at MINUS 40 miles per hour presumably (as you were travelling away from them when the camera was pointed at you)."

 

this is not the case.

 

Admittedly being on the other side of the road would tend to indicate the camera was filming the other direction but that is different to claiming cameras ONLY film oncoming traffic.

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Is there anything regarding markings/alerts of a van legally? They had tucked in behind some trees so it was impossible to see until you had gone past.

 

I understand that last year, when the rules changed about allowing variable points for speeding, that they also allowed covert surveillance. Thus North Wales Constabulary now have a horse box that has no markings at all - but internally is fully equipped with speed detection devices.

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can I have that in writing please Green :) (although I'm sure I will still have to read through your many "corrections" of everyone else on the forums unfortunately)

 

However, sticking to the MrShed's original question, it would seem at least there is an agreement that it is very very unlikely that this camera van was set up to observe vehicles travelling in his lane and he would be a most unlucky driver if this was the case. I am sure he will keep posted if something changes in this regard.

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Thanks for the advice all guys :) Esio crem and G+M.

 

Guess it looks as if I would be unlucky, but will of course let you know if/when I get my NIP through :)

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Stop travelling at 40 miles an hour on a 30mph road in future please!!

 

Meh.

 

I'm always doing 40 on 30mph stretches where the roads are straight and clear, with good visibility.

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Meh.

 

I'm always doing 40 on 30mph stretches where the roads are straight and clear, with good visibility.

 

40 on a 30 would give you an automatic failure on an L test Al27, so lets hope you are never ordered to retake yours or you could be without your licence for a long time. ;)

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Meh.

 

I'm always doing 40 on 30mph stretches where the roads are straight and clear, with good visibility.

 

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Hi Guys,

very interesting reading, I would like to add my tuppence worth to this debate. If I am understanding this correctly you would not have been able to see the reflective strips on the back of the van. As all mobile camera vans are required to be liveried in a way that makes them identifiable if you did receive speeding ticket it would not be enforceable.

There we go, my contribution to this pedants debate.

And if it makes you feel better, I have recently recieved a speeding ticket for doing 83 mph in a 70 zone. If that makes me a criminal then so be it. The police force certainly make you feel like one, I was in a company van so when they sent out the prosecution notice they insisit that your boss has to fill it in and now I have to lose a days pay attending a "Speed Awareness Scheme" where I am sure they will place special emphasis on what a naughty boy I am.

My feeling is that everyone is guilty of speeding at some time or other and, like most things, it's only wrong if you get caught!!

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and now I have to lose a days pay attending a "Speed Awareness Scheme" where I am sure they will place special emphasis on what a naughty boy I am.

 

One of my pupil's dad was caught on a mobile camera travelling at 32mph in a 30 zone. He too was offered the option of a "speed awareness course" to avoid the points on his license.

 

How they are going to present the course for him to understand how suicidal and dangerous his reckless speeding was on this occasion, I am not sure. :rolleyes:

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One of my pupil's dad was caught on a mobile camera travelling at 32mph in a 30 zone. He too was offered the option of a "speed awareness course" to avoid the points on his license.

 

How they are going to present the course for him to understand how suicidal and dangerous his reckless speeding was on this occasion, I am not sure. :rolleyes:

 

I find that surprising since the ACPO guidelines state that in normal circumstances there should be no prosecution in a 30 zone unless at 35 or above. http://www.acpo.police.uk/asp/policies/Data/speed_enforcement_guidelines_web_v7_foi.doc

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I find that surprising since the ACPO guidelines state that in normal circumstances there should be no prosecution in a 30 zone unless at 35 or above. http://www.acpo.police.uk/asp/policies/Data/speed_enforcement_guidelines_web_v7_foi.doc

 

 

I agree G&M although I have heard of a number of such penalties being issued recently by the over-zealous camera van operative in our area.

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