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    • S13 (2)The creditor may not exercise the right under paragraph 4 to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges specified in the notice to keeper if, within the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which that notice was given, the creditor is given— (a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement; (b)a copy of the hire agreement; and (c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement. As  Arval has complied with the above they cannot be pursued by EC----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S14 [1]   the creditor may recover those charges (so far as they remain unpaid) from the hirer. (2)The conditions are that— (a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper; (b)a period of 21 days beginning with the day on which the notice to hirer was given has elapsed;  As ECP did not send copies of the documents to your company and they have given 28 days instead of 21 days they have failed to comply with  the Act so you and your Company are absolved from paying. That is not to say that they won't continue asking to be paid as they do not have the faintest idea how PoFA works. 
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    • Thank-you FTMDave for your feedback. May I take this opportunity to say that after reading numerous threads to which you are a contributor, I have great admiration for you. You really do go above and beyond in your efforts to help other people. The time you put in to help, in particular with witness statements is incredible. I am also impressed by the way in which you will defer to others with more experience should there be a particular point that you are not 100% clear on and return with answers or advice that you have sought. I wish I had the ability to help others as you do. There is another forum expert that I must also thank for his time and patience answering my questions and allowing me to come to a “penny drops” moment on one particular issue. I believe he has helped me immensely to understand and to strengthen my own case. I shall not mention who it is here at the moment just in case he would rather I didn't but I greatly appreciate the time he took working through that issue with me. I spent 20+ years of working in an industry that rules and regulations had to be strictly adhered to, indeed, exams had to be taken in order that one had to become qualified in those rules and regulations in order to carry out the duties of the post. In a way, such things as PoFA 2012 are rules and regulations that are not completely alien to me. It has been very enjoyable for me to learn these regulations and the law surrounding them. I wish I had found this forum years ago. I admit that perhaps I had been too keen to express my opinions given that I am still in the learning process. After a suitable period in this industry I became Qualified to teach the rules and regulations and I always said to those I taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If opinions, theories and observations are put forward, discussion can take place and as long as the result is that the student is able to clearly see where they went wrong and got to that moment where the penny drops then that is a valuable learning experience. No matter how experienced one is, there is always something to learn and if I did not know the answer to a question, I would say, I don't know the answer to that question but I will go and find out what the answer is. In any posts I have made, I have stated, “unless I am wrong” or “as far as I can see” awaiting a response telling me what I got wrong, if it was wrong. If I am wrong I am only too happy to admit it and take it as a valuable learning experience. I take the point that perhaps I should not post on other peoples threads and I shall refrain from doing so going forward. 🤐 As alluded to, circumstances can change, FTMDave made the following point that it had been boasted that no Caggers, over two years, who had sent a PPC the wrong registration snotty letter, had even been taken to court, let alone lost a court hearing .... but now they have. I too used the word "seemed" because it is true, we haven't had all the details. After perusing this forum I believe certain advice changed here after the Beavis case, I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember reading. Could it be that after winning the above case in question, a claimant could refer back to this case and claim that a defendant had not made use of the appeal process, therefore allowing the claimant to win? Again, in this instance only, I do not know what is to be gained by not making an appeal or concealing the identity of the driver, especially if it is later admitted that the defendant was the driver and was the one to input the incorrect VRN in error. So far no one has educated me as to the reason why. But, of course, when making an appeal, it should be worded carefully so that an error in the appeal process cannot be referred back to. I thought long and hard about whether or not to post here but I wanted to bring up this point for discussion. Yes, I admit I have limited knowledge, but does that mean I should have kept silent? After I posted that I moved away from this forum slightly to find other avenues to increase my knowledge. I bought a law book and am now following certain lawyers on Youtube in the hope of arming myself with enough ammunition to use in my own case. In one video titled “7 Reasons You Will LOSE Your Court Case (and how to avoid them)” by Black Belt Barrister I believe he makes my point by saying the following, and I quote: “If you ignore the complaint in the first instance and it does eventually end up in court then it's going to look bad that you didn't co-operate in the first place. The court is not going to look kindly on you simply ignoring the company and not, let's say, availing yourself of any kind of appeal opportunities, particularly if we are talking about parking charge notices and things like that.” This point makes me think that, it is not such a bizarre judgement in the end. Only in the case of having proof of payment and inputting an incorrect VRN .... could it be worthwhile making a carefully worded appeal in the first instance? .... If the appeal fails, depending on the reason, surely this could only help if it went to court? As always, any feedback gratefully received.
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Hi please can someone help me.

 

I was awarded a suspended eviction order on 9th November 2009. Whereby the judge ordered if I had to go again I had to go before him and He would basically chuck us out (due to me being there previously)

 

That was dated until November 2010 - Will this be relevent now.

 

Mortgage is with Santander.

 

I have fell behind a few times since just before xmas, but ALWAYS made it up.

 

I am up to date with my payments. And dont owe anything til end of September. My arrears currently stand at £856.71

 

I have been away on holiday, and come back to a Warrent for the possession of property.

 

Eviction will take place at 28th August at 10.20am.

 

Santander, phoned me in on 20th July - My payments where up to date. Requested I went through a income expenditure with them - right there and then on the phone. I was at work and requested they put the forms in the post. I promptly filled them in and posted them back. Santander say today that because they didnt get them & I defaulted on court agreement they either want the Full £856.71 or the House.

 

Please help me

 

Please help 1 small child and a pretend teenager. Reading through some of the other threads, people have been evicted for being up to date. Really starting to panic

 

Forgot to say I do work, and can pay the mortgage. Just messed my money up a few times this year. But It was payed as soon as, And I am up to date

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I simply don't understand this. The Council of Mortgage Lenders say that repossession should not even be attempted until an individual is 6 months behind with payments and even then only if they are failing to co-operate.

 

Judges are usually quite sympathetic as long as you are doing your best and making payments, or if they see a specific reason for non payment.

 

I am no expert but I cannot believe your house would be repossessed for such a trivial amount. But I see here a trend. Santander are in trouble financially and I imagine they are trying to get as much cash in as possible. Since you have to pay their legal fees there is no reason for them not to 'try their luck'.

 

I think it is absolutely disgusting that ordinary people are paying the price for the fact that banks are a load of incompetent crooks!

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The problem is this as well. My hubby died in 2005. I was awarded probate on the house. Abbey agreed to let me stay. About 3 months after he died, I was there for 500 arrears the judge told me that if the arrears where for less than 400, He would have thrown it out. Since then I have been back twice to court 1 for redundancy & again for a stupid relationship.

 

The house is still in my late husbands name. I could never afford to get it put in my name so I wonder if basically they just want me out

 

Just to add, please dont judge me, We wasnt on a fancy holiday, we stayed at my sisters near the sea for 2 weeks. I do work hard always have.

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Ell-enn may be about this evening and may be able to help you out. As your timescales are very limited it may be a good idea to get the following information together.

 

An income expenditure statement together to show you that you can afford the standard monthly mortgage payment plus £xx for the arrears.

 

It may also possibly be handy to dig out the record of you getting probate, for you to take to court.

 

What are the ages of your children?

 

Have you paid anything towards you mortgage since the 20th July?

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Hi there, you will need to enter an N244 at court to get a hearing. We can help you with that.

 

Do you have a copy of the court order from 2009 ?

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I cant find it, basically it said Future Suspensions should be refered befor Judge D Jackson until November of 2010.

 

The Arrears at that tme where £1800, they now stand at 856.71. The order back in 2009 was to pay the monthly mortgage fee plus £30. I now pay it plus £40 and have done for awhile, as I could afford the extra £10.

 

On the 20th July my payments where up to date.

 

And August I paid 2 weeks ago

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Were the arrears £1800 at the time of the hearing in 2009 or in November 2010?

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OK, so you have reduced the arrears by £1,000 since the last court order.

 

Do you have a printer at home?

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Yes I do have a printer. Thanks for helping me. And yes Arrears reduced by a £1000 since last court order. And an extra £10 on top of £30 towards arrears. I have paid a month, this last 10 months or so

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OK, firstly - can you please complete the affixed budget sheet which you will need to affix to the N244 form so the judge can see that you are able to continue making payments at the current level. The budget sheet calculates automatically as you fill it in. Make sure you have only a very small sum left over in Box E otherwise the judge may think that you can afford more each month. Let me know when you have completed the budget sheet and we'll move on to the N244 form.

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Did you return the I & E form to them by recorded delivery? did they send you a prepaid envelope for returning the form?

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just remembered, I have a copy of the 1, I sent them last month. The one they didnt recieve, can I use that

 

Only use it if it has the same kind of criteria as the one I affixed - sometimes lender's I & E forms don't allow for the same expenditure.

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Is the I & E the same as the one I affixed?

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OK, let me know when that's done.

 

Do you have Word on your computer?

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That version of Word is fine. I have affixed an N244 form and below are the instructions for completing it. I will start to draft a statement to go with Q.10 of the form. Let me know when you have printed off and completed the N244.

 

1.Your name

2. Tick Defendant

3. Cancellation of eviction

4. No

5. Tick at a hearing

6. 15 minutes

Agreed by all parties: No

7. Write - Not applicable

8. District

9. Both Parties

10. Tick box for attached witness statement

Cross out all options except The Applicant Believes

Sign and cross out all options except Applicant

11. Sign and cross out all options except Applicant. Enter your address and contact details.

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You need to get that figure down a bit otherwise the judge might think you can afford more. Have you put enough in for clothes, housekeeping/food? there's also your energy bills they will be higher over the winter. Could you email the budget sheet to me so I can have a look to see if there's anything you've missed? my email address is [email protected] (there's no space between the c and o the website just shows it like that for some reason)

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Hi its me they are evicting, but my late husbands name is still on all the documentation - so should I therefore put both names and where is there reference number.

 

Emailed you incomings sheet

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Is it in joint names?

 

Got email and replied

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