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    • I am requesting your assistance to how I should go about a serious breach of my privacy that occurred during my stay at one of IHG’s hotel on Ma 2023. Having previously had items taken from my hotel room elsewhere I take the added precaution of using a security camera app on my device whenever I stay in a hotel room. The recordings are date and time stamped and it cannot be adjusted by the end user.   On this particular occasion I discovered evidence from my personal security camera recordings of a spy camera had been placed underneath my door, and can be seen moving along the base of the door for approximately 15 seconds.   The spy camera is in fact marketed as an inspection device of drains primarily but is known to be used in observing spaces difficult to enter. It is a usb endoscopic camera that has a length flexible cable that is semi rigid and can negotiate any obstruction by bending. The operator can be up to 3-4 metres away.   Infuriated as I had previously stayed with them in 2022 for 3 months at £260 per night that they would seek to question my honesty and invade my privacy. I immediately called reception and asked why they would do such a thing and if they had any concerns they were welcome to inspect my room and go through my personal belongings and ask me anything they wanted to. I was sleeping for the best part of my stay and was alone throughout.   I sent the recordings to the receptionist within the hour of finding them and I asked to speak to the manager of the hotel who I was told wasn’t present. I tried to have face to face meetings with him but he instead wrote to me denying the recordings were made at their hotel stating that they didn’t observe anyone in the corridor at the time of the recordings and that they don’t have a metal bar at the interface of the tile and carpet which corresponds to the overlying door. I rejected that statement on the grounds the video doesn’t show a bar but a reflection of light on the tile and you wouldn’t see a person outside my door because the cable is black and runs along the floor. If you don’t look for this you won’t see it. The matter was passed up to the area manager and he also denied the allegation. This is where the matter ends as far as IHG are concerned. Leading a busy work and family life I let the matter go but I found myself back at the same hotel a year later. I booked for  2 nights and was given a room facing the lobby door that led to the lifts. Unfortunately, from the hours of 3am I was woken up by the noise of the door opening and closing but also noticed shadows of a person standing in front of my door. At first I took no notice and put this down to a guest waiting for someone but the person or persons returned several times, standing outside my door for up to several minutes. I called the hotel reception and asked if there was an issue  on my floor and they said they would come up to check. They never said they would check the CCTV and as the incidents continued to happen up to 8am I called them 6 times. Given my past experience I didn’t think they took security as serious a# her establishments and made them observe the Cctv and let me know. The explanation I was given was that they could see residents there but they were heading down to breakfast. The time that I had noticed these feet by door was from 3am and breakfast started at 6.30am. It also didn’t explain why they would stand by my door for anything longer than 10seconds and if they were waiting for someone how likely is it that this scenario is played out 6 times when there was only 12 rooms per floor. Later that morning when I went down for breakfast the manager said he would move me to a room at the end of the corridor and asked me what my plans were for the day, essentially when would I be in the hotel. I stated that for the day I was out. He then said that all his staff were uncomfortable about me being a guest and said that I was not welcome there anymore. I had paid for the two nights but when it came to the end of the day I didn’t feel that I would be able to rest at the hotel given the hostility so I returned the next day to collect my remaining belongings, namely items of clothing, an iPhone charging cable and plug, and toiletries. Checkout was at 2pm and I was at the hotel at 3pm. All my belongings were gone and they couldn’t locate the items.  I plan to report the incident of the spy camera to the police, as well as the theft, and write to the hotel emphasising that this breach of privacy is unacceptable and the hotel's failure to properly investigate and address the issue is deeply concerning. The fact that I requested security checks to ensure my safety in the early hours was reasonable, yet their response to ban from the premises was excessive and even possibly discriminatory as I had revealed to them that I had been a victim of a hate crime given my sexuality. . I am seeking compensation for the infringement of my privacy, the lack of proper investigation, and the being humiliated and made to feel like an undesirable. I will request a full refund of my two-night stay totaling £390. Additionally, I will request compensation for the cost of my previous stay when the infringement occurred, which was £220. I am also considering damages for the infringement of my privacy but at a loss as to what this would equate to. I will close the letter giving them a 14 day timeframe to respond.    Is there anything you feel i need to consider here? Many thanks   
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Hello!

I became resident in the UK last year in October. I am non-EU non-EEA and non designated countries citizen.

So my only option is to send my passport and apply for provisional driving licence.

BUT I CANNOT DO SO.

I work as support engineer in UK with EU role so I can be called every day to go on site anywhere in Europe so I need to have my passport all the time with me.

On another side, I have only one year to drive in UK on my national driving licence.

That will expire very soon (in October this year) and I need driving licence so I can keep my job.

So I am really not able to send my passport and let them keep it for weeks.

If I send them my passport I will loose my job as I will not be able to work for the period they hold my passport, but if I don’t get my driving licence I will loose my job as I will not be able to do job in UK.

I would like to sue DVLA because I think that my civil rights are broken as I have no other choice then to stay without income to get driving licence.

Does anyone have the same experience? Also does anyone know good lawyer for this case.

I have no other choice but to sue them. And I am very serious in this issue and I am ready to go to Court in Strasbourg.

Thank you!

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I would be surprised if there isn't a work-around this problem.

 

I don't think the Post Office checking service will surfice as it appears they simply check you have filled everything in correctly and included the correct documents, so you will still be without your passport.

 

However, you may well be able to visit your local DVLA office and present your passport for copying and have it returned to you immediately. As they are part of the DVLA directly, you have in effect hand delivered your passport to the DVLA, had it checked/copied and returned to you same day.

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Thank you for your replays...

But I went to post office they check only UK passports.

I contacted DVLA 10 times and always same answer that they are sorry and that I have to send my passport.

The only way is to challenge everything on court of law that is my only way. (excl. that i quit my job, apply for driving licence and than try to find new job - but that would be stupid thing to do)!

I am in hopeless situation.

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Have you been to your local DVLA office and spoken to a person face to face? I have generally found that the local office personnel are far more helpful than the faceless clones on the end of a phone in Swansea.

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crem,

There are only three local DVLA offices who carry out the premium checking service for those whose licences have been issued outside the EU, EEA or designated countries, as the OP has indicated that he is. These are, Wimbledon, Nottingham and Glasgow together with the main reception at DVLA Swansea.

 

I wonder manuelaux if you are close enough to one of these? Obviously we are not privvie to the details of your employment, but could not your employer assist by only requiring you to attend UK work for the short period of time that you are without it? You would of course still have your immigration work permit for identification purposes and it might be possible to obtain emergency travel documents from your embassy/consulate. Someone more versed in this subject will no doubt put us right on this point.

 

I would very much doubt if you could sue the DVLA for a potential loss of earnings consequential to carrying out the requirements of UK legislation.

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Also note form what I understand that when you get you provisional licence you will need to take the UK driving test (theory and pratical) as you will only have UK provisional entitlement. You must pass the theroy before you can drive on the road and must have Ll plates and a driver supervising who is over 21 and holds a full licence untill you have passed the full UK test.

 

The provisional entitlement starts as soon as you recive your UK provisional licence .... even if your 12 months has not yet expied.

 

I relise this is not good news but if you get your prosional licence in Sept you wont be able to drive untill you have passed the UK test. I only mention this so you can plan ahead.

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morsy and gick,

Thank you for your answer. I will visit them in Wimbledon next week and write here what happened.

I have 2 more months to drive on my driving licence that I have from my country. If they issue me provisional driving licence in next 2-3 week then I have 1.5 month to pass test. I think that is enough as I drive for last 7 years. (provisional driv. lic. rules does not apply in first 12 monts since i become reidant even if i have provisional driving licence - they confirmed me that)

Thank you once again.

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I think it is correct that he can continue to drive on his international licence even whilst practicing for his UK driving test

 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/DrivingInGbOnAForeignLicence/DG_4022561

 

Residents

 

If you are the holder of an ordinary driving licence or a valid international driving permit, you can drive any category of small vehicle shown on your licence. You will be able to drive for up to 12 months from the time you became a resident.

To ensure continuous driving entitlement a provisional GB licence must have been obtained and a driving test(s) passed before the 12-month period elapses.

If you obtain a provisional licence during this period, you are not subject to provisional licence conditions eg displaying 'L' plates or being supervised by a qualified driver or being precluded from motorways.

If you don’t pass a test within the 12-month concessionary period you cannot drive as a full licence holder, and provisional licence conditions will apply.

If you wish to continue driving you must apply for a British provisional licence with a view to passing a driving test. Provisional licence conditions will then apply.

If you don’t apply for a provisional licence within the first 12 months you must stop driving.

New residents who hold a vocational licence (minibus, bus or lorry entitlement) must not drive large vehicles until they have passed the relevant GB driving test.

Driving test candidates are required to pass a motor car (category B) test first before applying for provisional entitlement for larger vehicles.

 

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Thats intresting as a frirend had to covert to a Uk driving licence they only got a provisional and was told their oginal licence would stop being vaild as soon as the provisional bacame vaild. Unless they set the start date of the provisional to start at the expiry of the 12 months? But then you cant take your UK test till the licence is vaid - confused ...

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Thats intresting as a frirend had to covert to a Uk driving licence they only got a provisional and was told their oginal licence would stop being vaild as soon as the provisional bacame vaild. Unless they set the start date of the provisional to start at the expiry of the 12 months? But then you cant take your UK test till the licence is vaid - confused ...

 

Once you become a resident, a non-EEC foreign licence is valid for 12 months, to keep driving after 12 months you have to obtain a UK provisional licence and pass the driving test within that 12 months. You would then be a resident and the holder of a UK licence (albeit a provisional), which is why the foreign licence would not be valid.

As above, as the holder of a foreign licence, you would not need 'L' plates or be accompanied whilst learning.

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I am from the US living in the UK on a Visa. I want to get my provisional drivers licence. Do you know if I go straight to the office in Swansea I can get it there? I don't want to send my passport in the post.

Thank you!

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Don't they do a swap any more. My wife sent in her South African driving licence with application form and got back her British driving licence which included B + E. This was in 2001.

 

South Africa is a designated country and their driving licences can be exchanged for a GB one. The OP is not from a designated country - hence the problems.

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