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    • S13 (2)The creditor may not exercise the right under paragraph 4 to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges specified in the notice to keeper if, within the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which that notice was given, the creditor is given— (a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement; (b)a copy of the hire agreement; and (c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement. As  Arval has complied with the above they cannot be pursued by EC----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S14 [1]   the creditor may recover those charges (so far as they remain unpaid) from the hirer. (2)The conditions are that— (a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper; (b)a period of 21 days beginning with the day on which the notice to hirer was given has elapsed;  As ECP did not send copies of the documents to your company and they have given 28 days instead of 21 days they have failed to comply with  the Act so you and your Company are absolved from paying. That is not to say that they won't continue asking to be paid as they do not have the faintest idea how PoFA works. 
    • Euro have got a lot wrong and have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4.  According to Section 13 after ECP have written to Arval they should then send a NTH to the Hirer  which they have done.This eliminates Arval from any further pursuit by ECP. When they wrote to your company they should have sent copies of everything that they asked Arval for. This is to prove that your company agree what happened on the day of the breach. If ECP then comply with the Act they are allowed to pursue the hirer. If they fail, to comply they cannot make the hirer pay. They can pursue until they are blue in the face but the Hirer is not lawfully required to pay them and if it went to Court ECP would lose. Your company could say who was driving but the only person that can be pursued is the Hirer, there does not appear to be an extension for a driver to be pursued. Even if there was, because ECP have failed miserably to comply with the Act  they still have no chance of winning in Court. Here are the relevant Hire sections from the Act below.
    • Thank-you FTMDave for your feedback. May I take this opportunity to say that after reading numerous threads to which you are a contributor, I have great admiration for you. You really do go above and beyond in your efforts to help other people. The time you put in to help, in particular with witness statements is incredible. I am also impressed by the way in which you will defer to others with more experience should there be a particular point that you are not 100% clear on and return with answers or advice that you have sought. I wish I had the ability to help others as you do. There is another forum expert that I must also thank for his time and patience answering my questions and allowing me to come to a “penny drops” moment on one particular issue. I believe he has helped me immensely to understand and to strengthen my own case. I shall not mention who it is here at the moment just in case he would rather I didn't but I greatly appreciate the time he took working through that issue with me. I spent 20+ years of working in an industry that rules and regulations had to be strictly adhered to, indeed, exams had to be taken in order that one had to become qualified in those rules and regulations in order to carry out the duties of the post. In a way, such things as PoFA 2012 are rules and regulations that are not completely alien to me. It has been very enjoyable for me to learn these regulations and the law surrounding them. I wish I had found this forum years ago. I admit that perhaps I had been too keen to express my opinions given that I am still in the learning process. After a suitable period in this industry I became Qualified to teach the rules and regulations and I always said to those I taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If opinions, theories and observations are put forward, discussion can take place and as long as the result is that the student is able to clearly see where they went wrong and got to that moment where the penny drops then that is a valuable learning experience. No matter how experienced one is, there is always something to learn and if I did not know the answer to a question, I would say, I don't know the answer to that question but I will go and find out what the answer is. In any posts I have made, I have stated, “unless I am wrong” or “as far as I can see” awaiting a response telling me what I got wrong, if it was wrong. If I am wrong I am only too happy to admit it and take it as a valuable learning experience. I take the point that perhaps I should not post on other peoples threads and I shall refrain from doing so going forward. 🤐 As alluded to, circumstances can change, FTMDave made the following point that it had been boasted that no Caggers, over two years, who had sent a PPC the wrong registration snotty letter, had even been taken to court, let alone lost a court hearing .... but now they have. I too used the word "seemed" because it is true, we haven't had all the details. After perusing this forum I believe certain advice changed here after the Beavis case, I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember reading. Could it be that after winning the above case in question, a claimant could refer back to this case and claim that a defendant had not made use of the appeal process, therefore allowing the claimant to win? Again, in this instance only, I do not know what is to be gained by not making an appeal or concealing the identity of the driver, especially if it is later admitted that the defendant was the driver and was the one to input the incorrect VRN in error. So far no one has educated me as to the reason why. But, of course, when making an appeal, it should be worded carefully so that an error in the appeal process cannot be referred back to. I thought long and hard about whether or not to post here but I wanted to bring up this point for discussion. Yes, I admit I have limited knowledge, but does that mean I should have kept silent? After I posted that I moved away from this forum slightly to find other avenues to increase my knowledge. I bought a law book and am now following certain lawyers on Youtube in the hope of arming myself with enough ammunition to use in my own case. In one video titled “7 Reasons You Will LOSE Your Court Case (and how to avoid them)” by Black Belt Barrister I believe he makes my point by saying the following, and I quote: “If you ignore the complaint in the first instance and it does eventually end up in court then it's going to look bad that you didn't co-operate in the first place. The court is not going to look kindly on you simply ignoring the company and not, let's say, availing yourself of any kind of appeal opportunities, particularly if we are talking about parking charge notices and things like that.” This point makes me think that, it is not such a bizarre judgement in the end. Only in the case of having proof of payment and inputting an incorrect VRN .... could it be worthwhile making a carefully worded appeal in the first instance? .... If the appeal fails, depending on the reason, surely this could only help if it went to court? As always, any feedback gratefully received.
    • To which official body does one make a formal complaint about a LPA fixed charge receiver? Does one make a complaint first to the company employing the appointed individuals?    Or can one complain immediately to an official body, such as nara?    I've tried researching but there doesn't seem a very clear route on how to legally hold them to account for wrongful behaviour.  It seems frustratingly complicated because they are considered to be officers of the court and held in high esteem - and the borrower is deemed liable for their actions.  Yet what does the borrower do when disclosure shows clear evidence of wrong-doing? Does anyone have any pointers please?
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wondered if anyone could give me any advice? On a previous thread i mentioned my mum was going to claim ctc never claimed it before anyway the adviser she spoke to said she could claim and have it backdated 93 days whoopee! well anyway she sent her claim form back on the 8/5/08 they say its not on their system but she has to wait until tommorrow and if it is still not on they will resend out the claim pack again which takes 2weeks to arrive then two weeks to process! Can they do this she has already been waiting 4 weeks already! any ideas guys:confused:

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I know when my sister claimed such credits the process took just under 3 weeks from applying to getting the 1st payment, and therefore every month, remember the new year has just started for renewals ect so the offices will be sifting through quite alot of claims and renewals, the money can be back-dated, did you look on line to calulate things, look at do i quailfy..least then you will have an idea of how much to expect.

 

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well guys quick update they cannot locate my mums application for for ctc! said they will raise a trace but could take up to anther two weeks! so after waiting 2 weeks for the form to be sent then 2weeks for the claim to show on screen then another 2 weeks for the trace to come back ..........any ideas this is ridiculous!

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I am in pretty much the same position, I am claiming tax credits for my 8 week old baby, I applied 3-4 weeks ago.... rang today to see what was happening with my claim, they told me there was something wrong with the claim and put the phone down I rang back and spoke to someone else who said they had amended the claim so now it will process....they wouldnt tell me how long or anything (probably another 3 weeks). Really they have a backlog of claims and mine is not top priority and they are just trying to hold people off. I have been advised to call back and speak to a supervisor. :!::mad::!::mad:

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Just thought id tell you rang them and told them I had no money to feed myself or my baby and guess what they are now processing my claim....but still cant tell me when I will be getting the payments.

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I've been waiting 6wks now after changing from being single to getting back with my bf and him living with me. Every wk since the 3rd wk I've been phoning and everytime its the same. That they are still processing it or its been sent somewhere to be processed. If it were the other way round and we owed them money, we would've been flipping penalised for it wks ago!

Am sick of phoning them up. Anyone else waited this long? I almost wish I hadn't told them my change in circumstances.

We are now struggling to pay for stuff so will phone again.

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its just a load of b***ocks they can process it with a press of a button, tell them you have no money and need your claim putting through give them a sob story anything.. ask to speak to a supervisor and dont get off the phone untill they tell you that A) your claim is now in place and B) they are sending you confirmation of this including how much you will get. Im calling back on tuesday to see if they will tell me when i will get the money.

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Blimey that does suggest they are overworked at the moment!!!! I informed them of a change in my circumstances in January and it was actioned within 4 days. I do sympathise with you all though. Hope you hear something soon but in my experience it shows up in your bank account before the notification arrives (at least that's something the right way round).

 

 

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i know this is an old thread but just had to say i have been waiting to get child tax credits now since i took in a partner in December 2009, i been waiting Soooo long they finally called me and asked me to go up their office , this was Wednesday 26th may 2010, i had my appointment went up their and was then asked why i was their :-o Errrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,

Because i was called by them and asked to come up their,

I think they are all bloody useless and none of them know what the hell they are doing,

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