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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hiya :)

 

Does anyone know anything about these people?

 

Was sent a letter by them asking for settlement of an alledged debt a few weeks ago.

 

The 'debt' apparently dates back to 2001 from my previous address and they say it's in relation to Studio.

 

Not had any communication regarding this matter from Studio at all :? Not even at my previous address.

 

Now, suddenly, when the alleged sum will become statute barred I assume, they're chasing me in an extremly agressive manner :mad: When I questioned them as to why thier only contacting me now, they said they'd only just managed to trace me from the electoral register :? I've been on it since moving to this adress...

 

Also, when I asked them why I'd never had any communication from Studio, they replied 'how should they know'. The woman I spoke to then commenced to be very rude and tell me that if the debt wasn't mine (while sniggering) that I HAD to report the matter to the police as 'Identity theft'!

 

Luckily, because I've heard about identity theft and also heard about DCAs doing this kind of thing I knew what to say :)

 

I explained to her that without any proper info the police won't take a report but she insisted they would :?

 

That's why I CCA'd them. Armed with this info (if they can produce) I can then look into the matter properly and decide my proper course of action.

 

My gut feeling is that these are a bunch of chancers praying on vulnerable people...

 

CCA'd them on 25th May recorded of course...

 

Any suggestions how I should handle this?

 

 

BB

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Hi Babybear

 

You've done the right thing and not admitted anything. Just sit back and wait for them to reply to the CCA. My bet is they won't.

:p :p If my advice as been of help, please give me a quick click on the scales to your right ;) ;) :)
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Thanks Trojan1401 :)

 

Does anyone have an e-mail address for

 

Mackenzie Hall 30 The Foregate

Kilmarnock

Ayrshire

KA1 1LU

 

 

 

This info would be greatfully appreciated as I'm dealing with several DCAs and its costing a fortune out of my very limited budget to send everything recorded...

 

 

 

BB

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I've just had my first 'phishing' letter from them - telling me they have a 'personal' message for me. From what I've read on here it seems safest to ignore this letter. What do others think? I'm sure this is related to a long lost account from about six years ago, which was disputed at the time. Any suggestions? I'm loathe to poke their nest without thinking this through properly.

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Hi Babybear

 

CCA is the right thing to have done, now its just a waiting game, as I am sure you have read they only have a certain amount of time to the supply the CCA then they are in default and cannot chase a debt without a CCA.

 

Do not feel the need to chase them, its not your job to remind them about the law. Just leave them to default on the CCA request, if they phone, calmly but firmly tell them you will discuss nothing over the phone and they must only communicate to you in writing. Keep a record of dates and time of any phone calls they make to you.

 

Good luck and keep us posted.

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BB, I assume you have your complaints to the OFT and TS all ready to go?

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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Yes let them phish up against a wall. They will not be able to supply the CCA.

 

Sorry Babybear, dodn't mean to jump into the middle of this thread, this is my first time on this site. Seems that the best advice on receiving the general - 'we have a personal message for you' letter - which some may argue is misleading in itself - is to wait for their next fishing expedition?

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Hiya guys, update on Mackenzie Hall...

 

Here's the letter I recieved from them today...

 

30 The Foregate. Kilmarnock KA1 1JH T. 01563 554 540 F. 0845 280 1776

 

Reference: xxxxxxxxx

Mav 2007

mackenziehall

debt recovery and trace consultants E. [email protected]

 

Request for Copy of Agreement under section s.78 (1) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

Dear Mrs xxxxxxx

We refer to your letter dated 25-May-07.

We have contacted our client for a copy of your agreement and statement of your account.

Your account is currently on 'Hold'. Please be assured that no action will be taken against you.

Should we not receive the relevant proof from our client within 28 days, we will close your file and return the file to our client. Our client will then decide what step to take.

As a gesture of goodwill, your payment has been returned. Kind regards

 

 

Yours sincerely

"laire Dillon Compliance Department.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm...28 days...Sounds familiar :rolleyes::?

 

 

 

 

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Hi Peeps :-)

Ive visited 3 or 4 forums today with literally hundreds of posts regarding this company. I too have recived several letters claiming that i owe them x amount of money (bizzarely this amount always seems to change) anyway i urge you all to contact BBC's Watchdog programe.. if enough of us tell them about it im sure they would investigate them... anyway here are is the link...

BBC - Consumer - TV and radio - TV and radio

Lets all join together and show the whole of the UK what utter Bas£@£$s this company really are :T

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12 + 2 + 30 expired today and nothing in the post :)

 

So I guess that puts this bunch in criminal default along with my other 'mates' at BCW and 1st credit...

 

MH can stew with BCW...1st credit aren't going to be so lucky ;)

 

BB

Report them to TS anyway. Ask for details of their complaints procedure and complain to them. Think of the sh!t and annoyance they have put you through. They will not deal with your complaint succesfully so you can then report them to FOS who will slap them round the lugs for £400. Go on you know you really want to:D

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Hi guys biggrin.gif

 

Update...

 

Very positive meeting with Trading Standards this morning. My local TS are very quick and professional. I contatced them via Consumer Direct on Tuesday and they came to my house this morning, listened and noted everything I had to say, even took all documents and notes, copied and returned them this afternoon.

 

Will update as soon as I hear back from them :)

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Hiya guys 'n gals :D

 

Guess what I had from East Ayrshire Council Trading Standards yesterday...

 

Department of Neighbourhood Services

Executive Director: William Stafford. MCIWM, MREHIS

Trading Standards Service 14 London Road KILMARNOCK

KAsyAF K/\st

Tel: (01563) 521502 FAX: (01563) 554379 COUNCIL

If telephoning please ask for: Mr x xxxxxxx Direct Dial: (01563) 00000000

 

OurRef: XXXXXX

Date: Monday, 23 July 2007

Dear Mrs BB

MACKENZIE HALL. 30 FOREGATE. KILMARNOCK

Consumer Direct have forwarded details of your complaint concerning the above company to this Service. However, at present the Office of Fair Trading is dealing with this company.

MacKenzie Hall is a debt collection company licensed by the Office of Fair Trading. The Office of Fair Trading has issued guidelines for debt collectors which covers many aspects of the way they conduct their business. The guidelines are intended to discourage the type of behaviour the Office of Fair Trading considers to fall within the category of unfair business practice.

Although the Office of Fair Trading will not deal with individual complaints they will take account of the number and type of complaints received in determining whether any action is required. I would be obliged, therefore, if you would forward details of your complaint together with copies of correspondence to the following address: -

Office of Fair Trading Regulatory Section Fleetbank House 2/6 Salisbury Square LONDON EC4Y 8JX

 

 

 

X XXXXXXXX

Enforcement Officer

 

 

Yours sincerely

COUNCIL HEADQUARTERS LONDON ROAD KILMARNOCK KAs yBU TEL: 01563 576000 FAX 0000000000 www.east-avrshire.gov.uk

 

 

Good thing my local TS are helping handle this then, and it would seem that poor Kilmarnock TS is swamped with complaints about MH :rolleyes:

 

Ah well, back to my local TS, as I'm sure they can pass all info on as they already have it...

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You sould now report MHall yourself to the OFT - the more the merrier.

 

You should also report MHall to the Financial Ombudsman if they fail to provide you with details of their complaints procedure. A £450 bill awaits MHall if the FOS carries out an ivestigation of your complaint.

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Hi all new to the site - but have found it very helpful. I received a letter from them asking me to contact them - I know there is a slight difference of opinion about wether I should have or not. But armed with the info on this site I did.

 

I spoke to a bloke called Neil who was a power talker and told me I owe £159:00 for phone charges. He told me that the phone company 'peoples phones' had sent me letters requesting the amount. They have not. He told me that the alledged debt was transferred to MH on the 2/06/07. I then asked him who transferred the debt he hesitated then said it was a firm called BARDE. I enquired further and he told me that they were based out side the UK. I asked for the date of the alledged debt and was told all i needed to know was that I owed MH £159:00 and that they were dealing with matters now. I then told him that i did not acknowledge ther debt and asked him what he proposed to do. He said he would be taking further action - once he has received advice from his client. I asked what this further action might be he stated that he 'didnt want to take me down the wrong path' I pushed him further on what action he would be taking again he appeared unsure. I then told him it was bollocks and that if any one would be taking action it would be me.

 

Any thoughts any one.

 

Thanks

 

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