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    • Please see my witness statement below.  Please let me know what modifications I need to apply.  I haven't included anything related to "administrative charge while paying by credit or debit card" as I wasn't sure if I should include since sign says "it may apply"   Background  1.1 Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.    Contract  2.1 No Locus Standi, I do not believe a contract exists with the landowner that gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” From PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act) 2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.    Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.  3.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.  3.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.    Unfair PCN  4.1         As stipulated in Exhibit 1 (Pages 7-13) sent by DCB Legal following the defendant’s CPR request the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows £60.00 parking charge notice and will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue. The defendant puts it to the claimant a request for strict proof when the signage changed to show £100.00 parking charge as the evidence provided by DCB Legal stipulated £60.00 parking charge was indeed the parking charge at the time defendant parked and included in Exhibit 1   4.3        The Claimant did not respect PAPLOC   4.4        It is also unfair to delay litigation for so long and claim nearly four years' interest.    No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;      No Breach of Contract  6.1      No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY.  6.2        The wording “Electric Bay Abuse” is not listed on their signs nor there is any mention on the contract of any electric charging points at all let alone who can park there or use them.    Double Recovery  7.1        As well as the original £100 parking charge and £50 allowed court/legal costs, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  7.2        PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 4(5) states that “the maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper is the amount specified in the notice to keeper”. Which in this case is £100.  7.3        The Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is also quite clear that the maximum amount recoverable is £100.  Government ministers and government web pages explaining the Act refer to extra charges as "a rip off".  7.4        Unless the Claimant can clearly demonstrate how these alleged additional costs have been incurred this would appear to be an attempt at double recovery.  7.5        Previous parking charge cases have found that the parking charge itself is at a level to include the costs of recovery i.e. Parking Eye Ltd vs Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 which is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since the sum £85 was held to already incorporate the costs of an automated private parking business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that an alleged “parking charge” penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending on the parking firm) covers the costs of all the letters. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court V Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practise continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (...) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6        In Claim numbers F0DP806M and F0DP201T, Britannia vs Crosby the courts went further in a landmark judgement in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes GC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of Wight & Wiltshire. District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgement or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating “It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgement in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for a addi8onal sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998.  7.7        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.  7.8        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).  7.9        The Defendant is of the view that the Claimant knew, or should have known, that to claim in excess of £100 for a parking charge on private lands is disallowed under the CPRs, the Beavis case, the PoFA AND THE CRA 2015, and that relief from sanctions should be refused.    In Conclusion  8.1        I believe the Claimant has got use to intimidation tactics and has got greedy. I believe the truth of the manor is the Claimant has used bullying tactics successfully for too long and is therefore assured that innocent drivers will fall into the trap of paying rather than going through the hours it takes to defend themselves. In the process, wasting the time of the Court, the time of the Defendant and everyone else who has advised the Defendant, out of sheer decency to help have a fair hearing and see justice delivered.  8.2        I am still in disbelief that I am being heard in this court, defending myself nearly 4 years after receiving a charge through my door. I have had to spend weeks’ worth of my life studying the letter of the law in order to defend myself from this ridiculous attempt at a swindle.  8.3        I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 
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    • First, the Entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract. so it only  is an offer to treat.  Second, the sign does say % hours free without mentioning that it is also the maximum time one can stay. it would be logical to presume that there would be a fee for staying longer-but not £100. Looking at the PCN-as usual it does not comply with the protection of freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. First it does not specify the parking period since their figure includes driving from the entrance to the parking space, then later driving from the driving space to the exit. Second it does not inform the keeper that the driver is expected to pay the charge Section 9 [2]] (b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full; What that means is that you as keeper are no longer liable to pay the charge-only the driver is. As anyone with a valid insurance can drive your car they will have difficulty proving who was driving especially as you haven't appealed. In addition the Courts should your case get that far, do not accept that the driver and the keeper ae the same person. So just relax and ignore all their threats even from their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors.  Just do not ignore a Letter of Claim if you get one of those-come back to us so that you can send a snotty letter.
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Regarding post 49, you do not need to prepare these documents until such time as the judge orders this, if indeed he / she does. I do not see from your thread that this has been ordered.

 

Any for c) and d) see the link in post 47 and below:

c) A statement of evidence

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Liani - Its a draft order for directions. We are asking the judge to consider using the directions on this order for our benefit. If he agrees to use these directions, he will then give us the directions, where the timescale then begins.

The timescale is only put on it for the judge to consider using, when he/she issues their directions.

 

Ideally a prelim hearing, i gather, is a hearing where the judge decides how to proceed with the case. Our draft order is only to give the judge a nudge (that rhymes) in the right direction, if you know what I mean. I understand the cinfusion over the 14 day timescale, but this only comes into play when the judge issues directions for us to follow before attending the full hearing.

 

I hope this hasn't confused things even more, but I would send a copy off as stated above, in order to give **** a nudge as well.

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Liani,

 

I sure as hell do not want to confuse you; but up in your thread you say you used 'the calculator' - was that the Excel spreadsheet on CAG or the one in your pocket -;) the CAG one calculates at a lovely 'daily' rate; and as far as I know this rate carries on until the day of payment and not just from the day of judgement

 

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Leanne, I have just noticed your court dated 23rd july you should be keeping a eye on your account around now, as they often pay up without informing you. I am interested to know what calculator you used:D

good luck

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28th July Single Claim for bank charges against LTSB, £6,800 WON with CI to date of Judgement

 

18th July Joint Claime against LTSB £7,800 WON with CI to date of Judgement.

 

 

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Sorry if this has already been addressed but I just wanna make sure it's relavant to mine....we have had a letter asking us to send to the court and barclays a)schedule setting out each harge, b)copies of any statements, c) statement of evidence, d), copies of all decided and other legal materials to be relied upon.

 

what i'm confused about is.....is this the "court bundle"??? and if it isn't what is it and what IS a court bundle??? this seems enough stuff that they've requsted so what more would they want after this????? Also, what is a "Draft Order of Directions "???? as i keep seeing this phrase 2!!!

 

Hope someone can help me, i'm all confused!!!

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Hi Monkey girl. This thread should help

 

GOT A COURT DATE? Important, please read......

 

Also if you search court bundle in the search drop down above, you will get more info on it. Its best to read as much as you can about it, so that if u go to court, you know what to do and what to refer to.

 

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Also you will not need a draft order for directions, because you have already been given directions. The directions are what you have listed above. The draft order is for those who attend a prelim / allocation hearing, before the main hearing.

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Sorry if this has already been addressed but I just wanna make sure it's relevant to mine....we have had a letter asking us to send to the court and barclays a)schedule setting out each harge, b)copies of any statements, c) statement of evidence, d), copies of all decided and other legal materials to be relied upon.

 

what i'm confused about is.....is this the "court bundle"??? and if it isn't what is it and what IS a court bundle??? this seems enough stuff that they've requsted so what more would they want after this????? Also, what is a "Draft Order of Directions "???? as i keep seeing this phrase 2!!!

 

Hope someone can help me, i'm all confused!!!

 

You say a letter, is it an order? Can you please post it up in full (verbatim) please.

 

This is the draft order for directions:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/53570-new-strategy-allocation-questionnaires.html#post482191

 

Essentially the documents that constitute the draft order become the bundle.

 

I think your judge has ordered the draft order which is good news and will lead to a quicker settlement and should obviate the need for a court appearance, see my thread as to how matters should now develop and the steps you should follow (subject to your confirmation that the draft order has indeed been ordered):

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloydstsb-successes/47207-guido-t-lloyds-tsb.html

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Sorry GuidoT, I don't think that the judge did ask for the draft order, I just think from looking at monkeygirls post, I think she has been given the directions for the actual hearing. I think she was just asking about the draft order as we have been discussing it on the thread with Liani.

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MG1984 does not have her own thread otherwise I would have responded there.

 

If she (I presume a lady but not a monkey) is reading this then read here and start your own thread and post up the order I refer to in post 58 on that thread:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/welcome-our-forum/13182-how-make-posts-please.html

I know it is confusing, that is why there is a no hijack rule (that I am guilty of breaking now).

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Monkey's account is with Barclay's, I like wilksa thought that she was just asking about draft order's but as she has not been given a court date as yet we may be wronge. now we may never know :D :D :D unless we start reading Barclay's thread's

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28th July Single Claim for bank charges against LTSB, £6,800 WON with CI to date of Judgement

 

18th July Joint Claime against LTSB £7,800 WON with CI to date of Judgement.

 

 

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No idea how to start my own thread!!!

my allocation quetionnaire was dispensed with and i just got ths straight away....but with no court date! the judge decided without hearing that it was going to the small claims. what they have asked me for is 113 pages!!! Does this sound right??

also shall i include letters barclays have sent saying they have terminated the account??? Purely cos of us trying to claim what is rightfully ours!!!

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Leanne, I have just noticed your court dated 23rd july you should be keeping a eye on your account around now, as they often pay up without informing you. I am interested to know what calculator you used:D

good luck

 

Wahoo !!!! I have just checked my account and money has been deposited - I cannot believe it !!!

Thnks ll you guys for your help, do I need to tell the court? I have had no letter from bank s yet.

I have said it before but I still cannot believe it

The calculator I used was on this site I think, its the one that calculates the interest for you?

Good Luck everyone

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Congratulations, well worth the look hey!!!

 

Don't you just hatei it when claiming becomes easy:D :D :D

 

Guildot, have you noticed this week especialy they have been more payouts from lloyds then every before, or is it my imagination;) nearly every thread I have been on this week someone has won their chargers back? lets hope it keeps up!

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28th July Single Claim for bank charges against LTSB, £6,800 WON with CI to date of Judgement

 

18th July Joint Claime against LTSB £7,800 WON with CI to date of Judgement.

 

 

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Pen - Last 2 weeks or so there has been a bumper number of payouts, yours included - the most I have ever seen. Who knows what is going on internally at Lloyds TSB.

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Pen - Last 2 weeks or so. there has been a bumper number of payouts, yours included - the most I have ever seen. Who knows what is going on internally at Lloyds TSB.

 

I wonder if this is anything to do with the judge ordering Yorkshire Bank to provide a breakdown of charges? Seems like quite a co-incidence!

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I wonder if this is anything to do with the judge ordering Yorkshire Bank to provide a breakdown of charges? Seems like quite a co-incidence!

 

To be honest - it has been going on a lot longer than that - for at least a month - settlements have been coming thick and fast (particularly with LTSB) - do you think they might be getting the message?

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To be honest - it has been going on a lot longer than that - for at least a month - settlements have been coming thick and fast (particularly with LTSB) - do you think they might be getting the message?

 

I hope so, I have 1 settled with LTSB, 1 at LBA stage and 1 which I need to fill court paperwork out to start the claim!

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I wonder if this is anything to do with the judge ordering Yorkshire Bank to provide a breakdown of charges? Seems like quite a co-incidence!

 

I think there could be somthing in that.

 

Working on the basis that the Yorkshire Bank are going all the way with this, Lloyds could well be clearing the decks ready to implement a new system of dealing with claims after disclosure.

 

In the event of a figure of approx £12.00 being laid down as a reasonable 'penalty', then we could see a situation in a few months time when a claim that would be worth £1,200 today will drop in 'value' to £720 in the near future.

 

In the event of this possibility, i think we should be encouraging everyone we know to put in a claim as soon as possible to ensure a 100% (and possibly much faster) payout.

 

Forgot to say, congratulations Liani!

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Congrats Liani!!!!!!!!

I had noticed an increase in payouts recently too.

Excellent, let's hope they keep paying out and preferably quicker too.

SAR sent 07/03/07

Statements rec'd 14/04/07 (ish)

Prelim Sent 03/07/07

Prelim rejection rec'd 10/07/07

LBA sent 12/07/07

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I take it you didn't send them any nudge letter's?

No offense but hopefully they've completley forgotten about you and won't turn up to court tomorrow, ch ching money for you.

SAR sent 07/03/07

Statements rec'd 14/04/07 (ish)

Prelim Sent 03/07/07

Prelim rejection rec'd 10/07/07

LBA sent 12/07/07

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