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    • Yup, well so far they have lied to me about responding to a CCA,  are threatening me with a default notice that they don't have, produced a knocked up version of my NOA, sent me 29 pages of spew for an agreement. No wonder they pay 5 p in the pound for that crap.
    • Paragraph 2. I think there should be further down and also you should make the point that the payment to was made unilaterally and without the imposition of any conditions. Paragraph 3 – this is unnecessary because you are not claiming as an entitled third-party. This worries me because it makes me feel that you haven't fully read around because this is a paragraph which you would include where you were suing EVRi as a beneficial third party because you had actually made your contract with Packlink or some other broker. I think you need to revisit and do some more reading. I'm afraid I have a sense that you have simply copied this from somebody else's witness statement without understanding that it wasn't necessary. Please can you post the amended draft. Other than the suggestions above, it looks okay – but let's see it again for a further appraisal. In terms of the evidence, parties bundle, I think it might be an idea to start off with the correspondence with EVRi and then go onto the other evidence. You will have to amend the index page accordingly. You could shorten this bit. Take 19 is pretty well blank and you may as well miss it out also, there seems to be some repetition of emails and the email chain. I think will be worth going through and getting rid of duplicates if you can. 49 pages is a bit long and it would be a good idea to try and reduce the number. I have a feeling that 50 pages as the County Court limit anyway. The judge will be happier with you if the bundle is smaller. Maybe you could reduce the size of some of the images or messages et cetera. You have got several messages which straddle onto a second page so that things like sign off information and standard confidentiality information become orphans. A bit of manipulation and they could be joined to their parents I think. Page 31 as an example. So is page 19. You may only be up to shorten the whole thing by 56 pages – but I think it would be a good idea. 56 pages is, after all, 10%. If you can do more then so much the better
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      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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Hi there

I have followed all the processes to the letter following this site, but I have my court day tomorrow - 14 June at 10.00am and I have received nothing through the post except a letter from them stating that they know I am going to court and that they will not seek to retrieve the £690 they have already given me. I submitted by court bundle at the end of April 2007.

I do not know how to link into my thread but its called: Lloyds TSB Defending.

Why are things never simple for me, I knew I would be the one having to actually go to court.

HELP!

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I have just double checked my court papers and it says:

 

Signed statements setting out the evidence of all witnesses on whom each party intends to rely shall be prepared and copies included in the documents mentioned at (a). This includes the evidence of the parties themselves and of any other witnesses whether or not the witnesses are going to come to Court to give evidence.

 

I dont need that right?

 

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Hi there

 

I have followed all the processes to the letter following this site, but I have my court day tomorrow - 14 June at 10.00am and I have received nothing through the post except a letter from them stating that they know I am going to court and that they will not seek to retrieve the £690 they have already given me. I submitted by court bundle at the end of April 2007.

 

I do not know how to link into my thread but its called: Lloyds TSB Defending.

 

Why are things never simple for me, I knew I would be the one having to actually go to court.

 

HELP!

 

Kitty x

 

Hi Kitty

 

Noticed you didn't get reply to your last post and your court date was today, just wondered how things went? Sooooo hope you got your money!!!

 

My court date is 24th July, so trying to get my bundle together.

 

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OMG I can't believe I missed this! I usually check this thread as soon as I see it in the subbed threads bit. Sorry kitty, I do hope it went ok.

 

But, why leave it until the last minute until you sought help??!!:rolleyes:

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Hi Gary

 

I did have my own thread where people were offering me advice, I just got a bit scared thats all! - anyway I have some great news! see a copy of my paste from my own thread earlier today:

 

 

Hi everyone

 

I have just literally got back from court and I have very good news.

 

The Lloyds TSB representative was there waiting for me which really put me on edge...however, she met with me outside the court to offer me full settlement of my claim plus the £220 court fees.

 

We then went into court, (there were about 20 people all in all, in the court being heard at the same time). Basically they had a list of people reclaiming their bank charges from First Direct, RBS, Nationwide, Barclays and Lloyds and all 20 of us entered the court room together.

 

The Lloyds representative then informed the judge that we had agreed to a settlement. She then had to go draw up what we had agreed which was £3,461.02 plus £220 court fees on a piece of paper.

 

The judge then ruled that he was happy with this and informed us that we will be receiving an 'order' from the court in due course in my favour.

 

I was then informed that I should expect to get the money within 28 days!

 

A very long and scarey process, but I am so thrilled at the outcome and thrilled that I was given support so much through this site that I had the confidence to turn up to court and present my case.

 

Thank you all so much for your support and wishes of luck, I hope this inspires many others to continue with this process, especially Amber Ellie, I am sure the same thing will happen with your case.

 

I shall report back when I actually receive the funds into my account.

 

Happy Reclaiming

 

Kitty x

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Brilliant news!!! Very well done.:D

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Hi Gary

 

I did have my own thread where people were offering me advice, I just got a bit scared thats all! - anyway I have some great news! see a copy of my paste from my own thread earlier today:

 

 

Hi everyone

 

I have just literally got back from court and I have very good news.

 

The Lloyds TSB representative was there waiting for me which really put me on edge...however, she met with me outside the court to offer me full settlement of my claim plus the £220 court fees.

 

We then went into court, (there were about 20 people all in all, in the court being heard at the same time). Basically they had a list of people reclaiming their bank charges from First Direct, RBS, Nationwide, Barclays and Lloyds and all 20 of us entered the court room together.

 

The Lloyds representative then informed the judge that we had agreed to a settlement. She then had to go draw up what we had agreed which was £3,461.02 plus £220 court fees on a piece of paper.

 

The judge then ruled that he was happy with this and informed us that we will be receiving an 'order' from the court in due course in my favour.

 

I was then informed that I should expect to get the money within 28 days!

 

A very long and scarey process, but I am so thrilled at the outcome and thrilled that I was given support so much through this site that I had the confidence to turn up to court and present my case.

 

Thank you all so much for your support and wishes of luck, I hope this inspires many others to continue with this process, especially Amber Ellie, I am sure the same thing will happen with your case.

 

I shall report back when I actually receive the funds into my account.

 

Happy Reclaiming

 

Kitty x

Well DONE,Kitty, did you include the Scottish Law into your bundle? I'm just printing off the Australian one with 90 pages x 2 and it is sooo long and drawn out.

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Court day came today and a letter from the court saying that scams evidence was struck out, please put in a Judgement. Filled the form and gave into the court now just waiting for the money to go into the account. A BIG thank you to all CAG who posted notes, letters to help me, couldn't of done it without you. Thanks Potterlogo

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Well DONE,Kitty, did you include the Scottish Law into your bundle? I'm just printing off the Australian one with 90 pages x 2 and it is sooo long and drawn out.

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Don't waste your time with the full Aussie report. Its questionable whether the court would allow it as admissable anyway. The 3 page summary is more than adequate.

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Court day came today and a letter from the court saying that scams evidence was struck out, please put in a Judgement. Filled the form and gave into the court now just waiting for the money to go into the account. A BIG thank you to all CAG who posted notes, letters to help me, couldn't of done it without you. Thanks Potterlogo

Excellent! Good job.:D

 

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Hi Gary, Could i use your witness statement in my bundle for barclays and A&L? Is it the one on the first page?

 

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Yes, I think it would be suitable for either of those two - especially A&L.

 

Take care to modify to suit though, removing any references to Lloyds, etc.

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Don't waste your time with the full Aussie report. Its questionable whether the court would allow it as admissable anyway. The 3 page summary is more than adequate.

Ooops! Too late, it's done! The Australian National Bank used to own the Northern so I as i have printed it all i might just as well send it in?

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Yes, you can - amend to suit obviously, but they defend on the service charge basis as far as I'm aware so most if not all of it will be relevant.

 

Aussie summary -

 

http://www.consumeraction.org.au/downloads/DL29.pdf

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i, im not sure if this letter means i should turn up in court or if i just need to send the info they ask for could you take a look

before deputy district judge roozw sitting at bradfor county court, the law courts, exchange, bradford

upon the courts own mention

it is ordered that

1. by 4.00 pm 6th july the claimant do file and serve the defendant the following further information;

a. on what dates did the defendant levy the charges complained of

b. how much were they

c. whaqt reason was given ( e.g. unauthorised overdraft)

d. was the amount charged in accordance with the defedants terms of business at the time it was charged

e. what does the claimant say a fair charge should have been

f. how does the claimant calculate that a fair charge

2. in default, this claim will be struck out .

3. on compliance this file will be considered further by a distric judge and further directions given

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I've got something which'll do nicely for that - I'll come back to it tomorrow.

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has anyone noticed how this thread is running so smothly, everyone gets their questions anwsered within a quick period of time, whether they are lloyds clients or not. There are no arguments or slagging each other off as in other threads, just everyone one getting to know each other by helping and supporting each other along the way, it's sooooo nice to read, I enjoy reading this particular thread and getting to know different people through their posts

:x if i have been off any help to you please click my scales

 

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