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    • thread tidied. new thread for the court claim is here  
    • new thread created for this claimform please post here now for anything to do with it now . pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform. [if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time] . When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’. Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time. You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word. You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID. You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.  then log in to the bulk court Website .  select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box. .  then using the details required from the claimform . defend all leave jurisdiction unticked  you DO NOT file a defence at this time [BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ] click thru to the end confirm and exit the website .. get a CCA Request running to the claimant . https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332502-cca-request-consumer-credit-act-1974-updated-january-2015/ .. Leave the £1 PO unsigned and uncrossed . get a CPR  31:14  request running to the solicitors [if one is not listed send to the claimant] ... https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ . .use our other CPR letter if the claim is for an OD or Telecom Debt or Util debt]  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ on BOTH type your name ONLY Do Not sign anything .do not ever use or give an email . you DO NOT await the return of ANY paperwork  you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform [1 in the count] ..............  
    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Northampton  Name of the Claimant ? lowell Solicitors : Overdales solicitors  How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to.  13 may 2024 What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ?   Not to my knowledge. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online but it was for a smaller amount they kept on increasing this with me asking Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. It was assigned to a debt collection agency  Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? yes  Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes I also made offers to pay original creditor a smaller amount but was not replied to Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? No Why did you cease payments? I was made redundant and got a less paid job I also spent some time on furlough during covid and spent some 3 months on ssp off work. What was the date of your last payment? May 2021 Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes at the time I communicated with all my creditor's that I was running out of funds to pay the original agreements once my redundancy money ran out that was when my accounts defaulted. I then wrote to all my creditor's with pro rata offers of payments but debt collectors took over the accounts.
    • Just an update for all. I received about a letter every other week, increasing in threat levels. Then I hadn't had one for a about two weeks, then Saturday received a carbon copy of the very first letter they sent me in February. Made me laugh, rinse and repeat. 
    • So, your response was not received by the SCP as you did not send it with a valid stamp. Therefore, from my two option in post #14, the first option is the only one available to you, but you do not have the option of asking to be sentenced at the fixed penalty level as the reason the SCP did not receive your response was down to you. Here's a reminder of what to do: Respond to the SJPN by pleading “Not Guilty” to both charges. In the “Reasons for pleading Not Guilty” box state that you are willing to plead guilty to the speeding charge providing, and only providing, the “Fail to Provide Driver's Details" (FtP) charge is dropped. This is a tried and tested method to deal with your problem and is almost always successful. Before the pandemic it was necessary to attend court to do this "deal" because it needs the agreement of the police prosecutor.. During the pandemic courts made every effort to have as few  people as possible attend and they began doing this deal under the "Single Justice" procedure without the defendant's attendance. Some courts have carried this procedure on whilst others have reverted to a personal attendance being necessary. If you are required to attend, your case will be taken out of the SJ procedure and you will be given a date for a hearing in the normal Magistrates' Court. If that is the way they do it in the area involved you will have to attend, see the prosecutor and offer your "deal" in person. 
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Hi all

 

I'm taking a holiday from the Capital One board to spend some quality time with HSBC. Worked out six year's worth of charges - £2k. Before I send the preliminary request for payment, I have a quick question:

 

Re the 6 year thing - does it go from the dates exactly, or the years? I mean, now it's Feb 07, can I claim back for Jan 2001? Or is that past the deadline? And, if that is past the deadline, is e.g. 10th Feb past the deadline too?

 

Thanks in advance, looking forward to spending time with y'all

 

GG

Capital One: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) 14 Nov 06, Prelim 8 Dec 06, LBA 10 Jan 07, MCOL 1 Mar 07. Settled in full 2 Apr 07. :)

HSBC: Prelim 27 Feb 07, LBA 10 Apr 2007, Received offer 25 Apr 07. Rejected 2nd May 07. Received new offer 22 May 2007. Accepted 22 May 2007. Settled.

Barclaycard: SAR 2nd May 2007.

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I think the bank will play it that the date from which the six years counts is the date you take them to court. But there's no harm in listing them all, and presuming that the relevant date is the date on which you first wrote to them eg today, if you get your preliminary letter off to them now. Or even back to January, if you wish. They'll just tell you you're wrong. But it might be safer to stick to the rules, ie the date you first write to them.

 

However, if it's a significant amount of money beyond the six years, there are some threads where others have claimed this far back. Perhaps somebody else could advise which ones you should look at.

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Thanks for that. I don't think it will be much more after the six years, as I've not had the account for much longer than that. But I would like to get January '01 in, as there's a £60 charge there - every little helps. :-)

 

Rgds

GG

Capital One: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) 14 Nov 06, Prelim 8 Dec 06, LBA 10 Jan 07, MCOL 1 Mar 07. Settled in full 2 Apr 07. :)

HSBC: Prelim 27 Feb 07, LBA 10 Apr 2007, Received offer 25 Apr 07. Rejected 2nd May 07. Received new offer 22 May 2007. Accepted 22 May 2007. Settled.

Barclaycard: SAR 2nd May 2007.

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enter the total amount on this account, i have seen other posts on here that you can claim from the time 'you are aware' of the unlawful charges. quibbling over a few days after 6 years would annoy a judge in your favour if the banks 'actually' took you to court. Also its easier to remove it to be 'nice' than add it in later.

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Well, here goes. First letter (prelim req for repayment) sent today. Amount=just over 2k. Let's see what happens. Wish me luck!

 

GG

Capital One: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) 14 Nov 06, Prelim 8 Dec 06, LBA 10 Jan 07, MCOL 1 Mar 07. Settled in full 2 Apr 07. :)

HSBC: Prelim 27 Feb 07, LBA 10 Apr 2007, Received offer 25 Apr 07. Rejected 2nd May 07. Received new offer 22 May 2007. Accepted 22 May 2007. Settled.

Barclaycard: SAR 2nd May 2007.

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  • 3 weeks later...

Received letter dated 9th March "thanks for your letter, we're looking into it, we'll get back to you".

 

14 day deadline up last weekend. LBA will be sent out tomorrow.

 

GG

Capital One: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) 14 Nov 06, Prelim 8 Dec 06, LBA 10 Jan 07, MCOL 1 Mar 07. Settled in full 2 Apr 07. :)

HSBC: Prelim 27 Feb 07, LBA 10 Apr 2007, Received offer 25 Apr 07. Rejected 2nd May 07. Received new offer 22 May 2007. Accepted 22 May 2007. Settled.

Barclaycard: SAR 2nd May 2007.

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  • 3 weeks later...

Lost track a bit there. LBA sent today. And they've charged me another £25 in the meantime.

 

GG

Capital One: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) 14 Nov 06, Prelim 8 Dec 06, LBA 10 Jan 07, MCOL 1 Mar 07. Settled in full 2 Apr 07. :)

HSBC: Prelim 27 Feb 07, LBA 10 Apr 2007, Received offer 25 Apr 07. Rejected 2nd May 07. Received new offer 22 May 2007. Accepted 22 May 2007. Settled.

Barclaycard: SAR 2nd May 2007.

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:) good stuff! Let's hope they get so busy they just pay out without giving us hassle...!

Capital One: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) 14 Nov 06, Prelim 8 Dec 06, LBA 10 Jan 07, MCOL 1 Mar 07. Settled in full 2 Apr 07. :)

HSBC: Prelim 27 Feb 07, LBA 10 Apr 2007, Received offer 25 Apr 07. Rejected 2nd May 07. Received new offer 22 May 2007. Accepted 22 May 2007. Settled.

Barclaycard: SAR 2nd May 2007.

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Make sure that up to when you file for court that you keep adding any new charges onto your claim. Once you have filed for court you can't make any further changes to your claim without paying the £35 admin fee :)

Guide to claiming back your bank charges

 

Most of your questions can be answered by following this link.

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Yep - will do - did get arrangement fee [informal??] charge last month so added it onto my LBA charges schedule...still not sure about overdraft interest tho - on the date they apply the interest I have been in credit so there has been nothing to claim - but the charge is actually for e.g. 25th of the month to 27th of next month - so what balance do I use??? Help appreciated !!:eek:

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i do understand what you are saying charliedog - but i don't see how you can put it in except by using the balance at the time of the charge. you might ask Bong that question - she is resident ace on the s/s questions.

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Thanks Lattie - I think it was a post from someone else I must have read where they said just use the figure from that charging period where you were in the red ...to accumulate the interest charges:roll:

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Well well well. Received an offer today of £1700 (after LBA stage). Total claim £2100. They say they will not offer any more because some of the charges go back more than 6 years.

 

Can I just check something: My claim starts from Jan 2001. My Prelim request for payment was sent on 27 Feb. So, ok, those charges from Jan-Feb 2001 are beyond six years, and there's only a couple of them. But the rest? Surely they are within the time period.

 

Even if the whole of 2001 is taken out the claim only goes down by about £200. So I don't know where they got their £400 reduction for their offer from.

 

Do you think it's worth writing back to them stating this and asking for an increased offer? They want me to accept £1700 as full and final.

 

Cheers

GG

Capital One: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) 14 Nov 06, Prelim 8 Dec 06, LBA 10 Jan 07, MCOL 1 Mar 07. Settled in full 2 Apr 07. :)

HSBC: Prelim 27 Feb 07, LBA 10 Apr 2007, Received offer 25 Apr 07. Rejected 2nd May 07. Received new offer 22 May 2007. Accepted 22 May 2007. Settled.

Barclaycard: SAR 2nd May 2007.

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you have a couple of options - write back and let them know you are interested in dealing - so maybe pick a figure half way between your claim and their offer and say - like - i don't think i can accept this offer but if you'd like to make me an offer of xxxx, i will consider accepting it (actually a round figure of 2k might be looked at - telling them you disagree with their assessment of your case but you know how busy they are and for the sake of argument... you'd accept 2k - on these charges - they will send something that means you can't file against these charges again);i'm betting you'd get 2k (just don't sign away your right to ever claim again)

or, you could just accept it

or, you could carry on and file your claim - you will be charged 120 but that is added to the claim - plus you will be adding 8% interest on to the claim but- you will be waiting along with all the others - my best guess is around 4 weeks for the defense to be filed and another 4 weeks or so of dg stalling though that's a broad generalisation.

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well well greengrocer - what have you got??? I sent my LBA same time as you and not even had reply yet!! And I sent it recorded to the one and only Mr Langdale...looks like I've got to go the MCOL route this week..perhaps its because my claim is for more you have claimed for - and when the 8% goes on it will be just over 5k...you are very lucky to have an offer after the LBA...but I'd still hang fire for the rest!!:roll:

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Letter sent today asking for 2k. I'm giving them 10 days to reply. After that it's MCOL.

 

GG

Capital One: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) 14 Nov 06, Prelim 8 Dec 06, LBA 10 Jan 07, MCOL 1 Mar 07. Settled in full 2 Apr 07. :)

HSBC: Prelim 27 Feb 07, LBA 10 Apr 2007, Received offer 25 Apr 07. Rejected 2nd May 07. Received new offer 22 May 2007. Accepted 22 May 2007. Settled.

Barclaycard: SAR 2nd May 2007.

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Good luck - as I aid perhaps they offer to pay out on claims under 5k ..not even had reply to LBA ...just wondering because the 8% is calculating every day it will soon take my claim to just below 6K - so MCOL hopefully is still route to take??....:confused:

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  • 2 weeks later...

No reply to my reply to their reply to my LBA. Emailed them today, just in case they want a little nudge. If they don't want a friendly nudge, they can have a less friendly one from MCOL at the end of the week.

 

GG

Capital One: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) 14 Nov 06, Prelim 8 Dec 06, LBA 10 Jan 07, MCOL 1 Mar 07. Settled in full 2 Apr 07. :)

HSBC: Prelim 27 Feb 07, LBA 10 Apr 2007, Received offer 25 Apr 07. Rejected 2nd May 07. Received new offer 22 May 2007. Accepted 22 May 2007. Settled.

Barclaycard: SAR 2nd May 2007.

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As they have all said on the CAG - stick with it - there are loads of us waiting and all at different stages ...some get offers early- some don't - just believe in the power ..and if all else fails send crusher in!! lol:grin:

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Ha. This is funny. Got a letter yesterday telling me that they still haven't received a reply from me and if I don't reply they'll consider the matter closed. Funny, that, seeing as I sent my reply recorded delivery (and got a signature confirmation) *and* sent an email too. A stalling tatic, perhaps?

 

Anyway, have replied, again. Will fill MCOL this week. They'll take notice of *that* reply, methinks.

 

GG

Capital One: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) 14 Nov 06, Prelim 8 Dec 06, LBA 10 Jan 07, MCOL 1 Mar 07. Settled in full 2 Apr 07. :)

HSBC: Prelim 27 Feb 07, LBA 10 Apr 2007, Received offer 25 Apr 07. Rejected 2nd May 07. Received new offer 22 May 2007. Accepted 22 May 2007. Settled.

Barclaycard: SAR 2nd May 2007.

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Received new offer today of £2k. This is only a little short of what I asked for originally, and is in agreement to what I asked for following their first offer. I plan to accept. I'll keep my wits about me until it's in my account, though.

 

Success!

 

GG

Capital One: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) 14 Nov 06, Prelim 8 Dec 06, LBA 10 Jan 07, MCOL 1 Mar 07. Settled in full 2 Apr 07. :)

HSBC: Prelim 27 Feb 07, LBA 10 Apr 2007, Received offer 25 Apr 07. Rejected 2nd May 07. Received new offer 22 May 2007. Accepted 22 May 2007. Settled.

Barclaycard: SAR 2nd May 2007.

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have you already accepted?

did you file your mcol?

i'm thinking you'll get your money back for that plus that extra £25 charge they took off you with one more letter if you are game -

 

if you didn't already file the mcol - you could still get that extra 25 - but

if you are happy with what they are offering - then take it. you will have done it without actually filing a claim - that's cool.

and success it is!!!!

congratulations. if they mess you about paying up you cna still threaten to file the claim.

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