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    • Thank you for that, I have obviously already been convicted so I think the appeal lodged is for the previous offence? Sorry if that doesn’t make sense. I suppose my only concern is that weds I go there and they don’t let a stat dec happen. If they do then as you say and solicitor says it’s highly likely I’ll be happy with the outcome. But I’m being told there’s no guarantee for the stat dec to be hard Weds as that’s not what the hearing is proposed for. Solicitor has stated that you can put a stat dec before a magistrates at any time so it shouldn’t be a problem.   
    • I re-read the extract from your  solicitor's letter this morning and think I might understand what they have in mind. I believe (and it’s only a guess) their strategy is this: 1.    You will make your SD 2.    You will enter fresh pleas to the four charges (not guilty) but will offer to plead guilty to speeding on the understanding that the FtP charges are dropped. 3.    If this is accepted they will attempt to argue that the two offences were committed “on the same occasion” 4.    You will be sentenced for those two offences (the sentence depending on whether the “same occasion” argument succeeds). They also have a plan in the event that your offer at (2) is unsuccessful and you are convicted again of the 2xFtP charges (and so face disqualification under “totting up”): 5.    They will make an “exceptional hardship” argument to avoid a ban. 6.    If that is unsuccessful they have already lodged an appeal in the Crown Court against that decision. (This is the only “appeal” I can think of). 7.    They plan to ask the court to suspend your ban pending that appeal. If I’m correct, I’m surprised the Crown Court has agreed to accept a speculative appeal (against something that hasn’t happened). The solicitor says this is to lodge it within the normal timescales. But you will have 21 days from the date of your conviction (which will be next Wednesday) to lodge an appeal with the Crown Court, so there is no need for a speculative appeal. I have to say that an application to have your ban suspended pending an appeal is unlikely to succeed. The Magistrates Court is unlikely to agree to it for one very good reason: if they make such an order (suspending your ban until your appeal is heard), all you need to do is not to pursue the appeal and the Magistrates order suspending your ban will remain in place. Hey Presto! No ban and no need for you to trouble with an appeal. Perhaps he will ask for your ban to be suspended for (say) three months or until your appeal is heard (whichever occurs first). This potentially creates a problem because if your appeal is not heard in that time either your ban will kick in or you will have o go back to court to get the suspension extended. But the solicitor obviously knows more about these things than I do. I would want to be very clear about this solicitor’s fees and what he proposes to charge you for. As I said, there is absolutely no need to lodge an appeal with the Crown Court. That can be done if and when it becomes required. But I am still firmly of the opinion that it is overwhelmingly likely that you will not need to progress beyond point 2 above. Point 3 is optional and I don’t know whether he solicitor has made It clear to you that the only thing you will avoid in the event of success is three penalty points. You will still be fined for the second offence and your driving record will still be endorsed with the details, but no penalty points will be imposed. Do let us know how it goes.  
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:oWas in Woolworths today and my mate who works there was having a bad day. A customer had come in a couple of days ago and bought a load of items for her children. One item, a skipping rope, was too short and she decided to bring it back in to get another one. Unbelievably, it was not listed on her receipt!!! :o

 

Looks like the sales assistant was going a bit too fast for the till to keep up and missed this item.

 

Spoke to assistant and the reply was " that if she had left the store the other day and had her bag searched by their store detective - she could have been done for shoplifting ":eek: :shock: :o - even though it was the shop assistant's fault!!!

 

Luckily for the customer, they changed it!

 

Dont ever suspect you have paid for all your items without checking the receipt first (lovely to get a freebie now and then) but the ending does not sound very nice - getting a record for shoplifting which you did not even do!!!! It does happen

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Not too much chance of this happening I feel.

 

Definition of theft as per Theft Act 1968:

"A person is guilty of theft if they dishonestly appropriate property belonging to another with the intention to permanently deprive them of it."

 

The shop would have to prove dishonesty. The Act doesn't say what "dishonest" is, but does give defences and examples of where honesty can be mistaken for something else.

 

 

ps This definition of theft is why the term Taking Without Owners Consent (TWOC) had to be invented. The original joyriders (circa 1960s) used to nick a car if they missed the last bus home. No intention to permanently deprive them of it, hence not theft.

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I used to be a manager in a shop, and you have to actually watch them take it and walk out without paying, its near impossible for an innocent person to get accused of this, even if they did, it would never stand up, and the Police would laugh about it after!

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If they were searched on the way out, and this situation had arisen, it is likely that the security camera would prove the customer's innocence. Sad as it is, the security cameras are there to prevent theft by staff as much as theft by the non-paying public...:(

 

Sorry - I didn't finish - the 'staff' cameras tend to focus on the tills, and it is inconceivable that the 'unpaid for item' would not be recorded going into the bag...

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Hiding a skipping rope in their pants?????? :D

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The only person who can search you is a Police Constable; unless you give your consent to another.

 

You do not have to let a security guard search you. If they want to arrest you thats their business, - but I can bet you most are not up to scratch on the new SOCPA powers in relation to arrests.

 

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