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    • That is a big improvement Dave and I do agree that it s best to leave it till the last moment to prevent VCS from countering your WS. [usually using doubtful logic that can't be easily argued against in a Court atmosphere] However my first post [no. 32] about the contract is the one that really exposes Jake's flummery and calls into  question jost how close he comes to committing perjury. And that is what hopefully VCS will not want questioned by a Judge. 
    • just to be clear here..... the DVLA do not send letters if a drivers licence address differs from any car's V5C that shows the same driver as it's registered keeper.
    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later then your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place  park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and unload the children reloading the children getting seat belts on  driving to the exit stopping for cars pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
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Group Nexus ANPR PCN Claimform - Cannon Lane Retail Park, Tonbridge, TN9


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1 Date of the infringement 17/8/22

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 24/8/22
 

3 Date received 3/9/22
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Y
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Y
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] N
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up Give answer here
 

7 Who is the parking company? Group Nexus

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Cannon Lane Retail Park, Tonbridge, TN9
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. BPA
 

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,

please check HERE

 

If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here

 I received the initial PCN and then a reminder in Sept from Group Nexus.

Then started to get threatening letters from Debt recovery plus up until Dec 22.

Then nothing until DCBLegal started writing to me threatening court action.

I ignored all in anticipation for a letter before claim which I havnt received.

Instead I was delighted (NOT) to open a county court claim form from yesterday.

I immediately went online MCOL and proceeded to acknowledge the service to give me some extra time to get your opinions on this, before proceeding any further.

I will endeavour to send you the original PCN and the last correspondence received from DCBLegal before receiving the claim form.

If there is anything else needed please let me know.

Many thanks

 

Group Nexus 1st and last letter before claim issued (redacted) Compressed.pdf Claim form (redacted)-compressed.pdf

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Group Nexus ANPR PCN Claimform - Cannon Lane Retail Park, Tonbridge, TN9

pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform

.register as an individual on the Gov't Gateway Site
Go to HMRC's login page.

Click the GREEN sign in button.
Click “Create sign in details”
Enter your email address where asked.
You will now be emailed a confirmation code. ...

You will now be issued with a User ID for your government gateway account.
 note down your details inc the long gateway number given, you might need it later.
then log in to the MCOL Website

.select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.

.then using the details required from the claimform

defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

confirm and exit MCOL.

.get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim

type your name ONLY

no need to sign anything

.you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.

you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi I already done the AOS today.

 

 

Which Court have you received the claim from ?

  1. MCOL Northampton N1 ? Civil National Bus centre. Northampton
  2. Manual Claim CCMCC (Salford) ?
  3. New beta WWW.MONEYCLAIMS.SERVICE.GOV.UK ?

If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. (not the response page or AOS)

Name of the Claimant :           

Claimants Solicitors: DCB Legal Ltd

Date of issue – 29.11.23

Date for AOS - Completed AOS 5/12/23

Date to submit Defence - Monday 1st January 2024? This would be a bank holiday, so do I have to do it before because of this?

[NOTE : WHEN CALCULATING YOUR TIMELINE - PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE DATE ON THE CLAIMFORM IS ONE IN ANY COUNT [an example: Issue date 01.03.2020: + 19 days  = 19.03.2020 :+ 14 days to submit defence = 02.04.2020: a total of 33 days]

What is the claim for – As can be seen in uploaded claim form redacted

**IMPORTANT** WE NEED TO SEE THE FULL POC MINUS YOUR PERS DETAILS>> NOT AN ABRIDGED VERSION**THIS MUST INCLUDE THE LOCATION

What is the value of the claim? not sure what this refers to

Amount Claimed 167.96

court fees 35

legal rep fees 50

Total Amount 252.96

Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN? (y/N - if Y state Date too) N

Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform? Y/N + date and did you reply? N

 

Claim form (redacted)-compressed.pdf

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The PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012-the Act that covers the parking rogues and how they run their car parks. All that means is that Nexus cannot pursue the keeper for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay the PCN.

So be careful not to name the driver especially by taking care by never saying "I parked the car" instead of saying "The driver parked the car"

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Now, there's a new twist in the POC I haven't seen before...

"3. The defendant is pursued as the driver of the vehicle..."

And then,

"4. In the alternative the defendant is pursued as the keeper..."

Are they allowed 2 bites of the cherry like this?

@Andyorch

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Then can write whatever they wish in their particulars but point 4 has no legal bearing or standing you cant pursue a legal keeper unless you can prove they were driving at the time.

Requires a good response in the defence/statement.

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11 minutes ago, Andyorch said:

you cant pursue a legal keeper unless you can prove they were driving at the time

They actually say... "pursuant to POFA 2012 Schedule 4"... So it'll be a case of whether they actually complied with POFA.

Ah well, just a thought.

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I think the defence on this one should be tweaked as andy suggests, to highlight the ambiguous wording in the POC.

Get the Judge to look at the claim with a critical eye...?

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Thank you for all your comments so far.

I thought the same about point 4 in POC re keeper liability etc.

There seems to be a bit of confusion with their dates also, because the alleged contravention occured on 17/8/22 but they dont refer to that date at all on the claim form POC only the date of issue. Also on most of the previous threatening letters I received it states that the date of contravention being the 24/8/22 when in fact it was 17/8/22, does this help our situation as this seems a mistake on their behalf (debt recovery plus and dcbl bailiffs) what do yous think?

Lastly Im just doing the CR31.14 request. Do I  just use the 3 points on the CR31.14 template? or do I need to add anything to that because of point 4 on the POC? sorry bit confused by this and would appreciate some guidance

 

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The POC is correct with their dates. The PCN was actually issued on 24/8.

Just send the cpr request as is...

(I was rambling on about point 4 of the POC for the defence you enter later on).

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Going by PoFA once the 28 days are past after the issue of the PCN, the charge is transferred from the driver to the keeper. So it should only be the keeper they are pursuing.

Schedule 4 S4 [1] 

Right to claim unpaid parking charges from keeper of vehicle

4(1)The creditor has the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.

So it should be pointed out to the Judge the above should mean that it is the keeper that should be pursued as the keeper has failed to identify the driver and MET have made no attempt to prove who the driver  could be.

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Don't fret Hop,

CAG users have an 85% win rate in court cases.

The 15% is down to users not engaging with the forum properly, or making mistakes.

Also, what we call "judge lottery". When a judge is either in a bad mood or simply gets a point of law wrong! (pretty rare)

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Thanks @Nicky Boy

I have just been successful in them discontinuing another parking case against my husband.

I am determined to do my bit with your help and fight these tickets.

I just wished everyone else done the same because as your forum says, if everyone refused to pay they would be out of business.

As if times arent hard enough without these people trying to get money from you grrrr...

Ive created the CPR 31.14 ready to send,

can I just ask if I need to send to just the solicitors or the claimant as well?

Ill get proof of postage

Thanks

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Hi guys,

I am in panic mode.

Can someone please confirm to me the date in which this defence has to be submitted by?

I worked out it was by the 1st jan 2024 but really need someone to help me confirm this.

Im not in a good place atm, I'll be honest, I am struggling with everything atm, my mental health is not very good, so would really really appreciate some help in getting this done in time.

I am finding it really confusing to get started on the defence I need for this particular claim, as it has been mentioned that the defence needs to be tweaked because they are going after keeper as well in POC....

I have all day today and tomorrow to get this done but really need some guidance and confirmation from the experts on here. Thank you much appreciated.

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On 05/12/2023 at 18:40, Hopgarden said:

Monday 1st January 2024? This would be a bank holiday, so do I have to do it before because of this?

defence is actually due the 31st dec. (date on claimform = 1 in the count - you have 33 days)

BUT you get i extra day because of the holiday period.

pers, id simply file the default defence in the court stick you filed out in post 3 just scroll down 2. how to defend

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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this thread...........

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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now get reading up here

100's of pcn claimform threads..

so you know whats to come

how to or not react

what comes after that.

but dont do anything else before you check with us.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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