G24 ANPR PCN - appealed - Robin Retail Park, Wigan

[FTMDave]

1 hour ago, Dadbod1 said:

but I don’t think it will get that far without any evidence surely?

I'm afraid evidence is completely irrelevant.

You have to understand how the PPCs work.  They are interested in one thing and one thing only - money.  So all they do is try to bully motorists into paying.  And sadly it works.  Most people think these letters are fines and pay up, and most of those who initially resist give in when the legal threats start.

What counts is the internal policies of each company, which we've managed to suss out over the years.

One company, called Vehicle Control Services, is obsessed with punishing non-payers by starting court claims.

Others see court as a time-consuming & expensive distraction and something complicated that they don't want to do.  As I wrote in post 30 -

On 12/06/2023 at 10:03, FTMDave said:

I've just done a search for G24 threads on the forum.  I stopped reading after the first 50.  In none of those 50 threads have G24 had the gonads to take the motorist to court.  There are no guarantees of course, but they rarely do court.  This surely is the most important thing.

But come back here if they ever send a Letter of Claim.

 

[Nicky Boy]

Dadbod,

 

You REALLY need to start reading other threads to understand these lowlife PPC's and how they think...

[brassnecked]

FTMDave and Nicky Boy have summed it up succinctly look up threads about the fleecers chasing you and look at what might be their next move probably more waste of trees.  VCS have their own special place reserved in Hell, they will start a claim almost as a default MO others may never try court.

[lookinforinfo]

The PCN is non compliant with Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 apart from its late arrival. 

They are supposed to specify the period of parking. Instead they have used the arrival and departure times which  includes the driving to the parking spot and then driving from the spot to the exit which cannot be called parking. And their wording is wrong elsewhere.

Part of the reason for the PCN is obviously to get money out of you but another factor is to inform you that if the charge has not been paid within 28 days, the keeper then becomes liable for the debt. They haven't said that probably because they acknowledge that their PCN would have arrived late so they cannot transfer  the liability to the keeper.

IPC give motorists five minutes Consideration period to give you time to read the terms of parking in that car park to decide if you want to abide by them or leave free of charge. They also give a ten minute grace period at the end  to allow for hold ups getting out of the car park. That still leaves 15 minutes for you to find if they are unsure who was driving. Was there anything that could have held you up another 15 minutes? 

Your child taking time to get them in and out of the car because of being strapped in. Maybe someone disabled or not as nimble as most people? Loads of traffic in the way or couldn't get out of the car park because the main road was busy.? Trolley was heavy laden and it took time to empty it plus return it to the trolley station which was quite a way away from where you were parked? Etc.etc.

 

[FTMDave]

Open.

[Dadbod1]

Thanks.

I've received an email from Trace Debt Recovery (they must have been passed my email address from my initial appeal) asking for payment.

I've opened their online portal and downloaded a 'statement'  which I have attached.

Trace 1.pdf

[FTMDave]

They are an uninterested third party with no power to do anything.

Have a good laugh at them and then have a good ignore of them.

[dx100uk]

you should be reading up here during down times! not disappearing for 4mts doing nothing....

you should also be blocking and bouncing all emails and ignoring them.

you don't need to worry about anything until/unless you received a letter of claim.

then comeback here.

dx

 

[brassnecked]

More paper tiger toilet paper

[Nicky Boy]

Be a bit scratchy for me Brass, I like the soft stuff...

[Dadbod1]

They fell at the first hurdle when their letter was out of time, so why are they still bothering?

[FTMDave]

Because, unlike you, most people don't'bother to find out about POFA, the 14-day rule, etc., they think they've been fined and just cough up.

It's a numbers game for G24.  As they raise the level of threat and pretend the amount owed is increasing most people give in, so it makes sense for them to keep sending the daft letters.

[Dadbod1]

Trace are passing my case onto their escalations department  

[FTMDave]

Oh no!

A powerless third party are now passing the case to themselves!

How can you possibly sleep at night with the worry?

 

[brassnecked]

next desk in the office more waffle.

[Dadbod1]

Received another letter in the post, as attached.

They've also just emailed me today, which is usually followed by a letter, saying "You have still not made payment and your case has now been selected for legal action through the county court"

They're trying their best to get me worried!

Trace.pdf

[FTMDave]

Your case is being considered for escalation to our client's solicitor

Eh - we are musing about possibly asking someone else to send you a letter

Do they seriously think anyone would be terrified by such waffle?

If their case is so good why don't they just take you to court?  I think that question is pretty easy to answer. 

[honeybee13]

How did they get hold of your email address, dadbod? You want to stop them using it in case this ever goes to court.

HB

[Dadbod1]

When I first appealed I did so through the online system (didn’t give my real email address, not that it would matter I guess)

I’ll probably have a letter waiting for me when I get home as that is usually what happens. 

If my “case has now been selected for legal action through the county court” does this mean they will actually follow through. Surely just an empty threat?

[dx100uk]

you should be reading up here during down times! not disappearing for 4weeks doing nothing....

you should also be blocking and bouncing all emails and ignoring them.

you don't need to worry about anything until/unless you received a letter of claim.

then comeback here.

dx

[Nicky Boy]

6 minutes ago, Dadbod1 said:

If my “case has now been selected for legal action through the county court” does this mean they will actually follow through. Surely just an empty threat?

The whole letter is just threats, intended to panic the victim.

I can tell by the tone of your post, that it's starting to work it's magic on you... Don't panic!

On 17/08/2023 at 11:49, FTMDave said:

You have to understand how the PPCs work.  They are interested in one thing and one thing only - money.  So all they do is try to bully motorists into paying.  And sadly it works.  Most people think these letters are fines and pay up, and most of those who initially resist give in when the legal threats start.

As a start, please do what's already been suggested, block/bounce their emails.

 

Have you been reading other threads? You really should!

 

Personally, I'm a little disappointed that the list of "organisations who may be able to help you" at the end of the letter, doesn't include CAG.

Maybe there's a reason for that.

 

[Dadbod1]

Received a final demand today 

2024-04- BW Legal Final Demand.pdf

[lookinforinfo]

If that is the first final notice you have received you can probably expect two or thee more to follow.

This to test your resolve.

They are hoping that these frightening  letters will scare you into paying.

After the third or fourth final demand they then have to decide  whether to actually proceed with a court claim or forget about you for a while.

You were not the driver, their PCN is non compliant .No biggy. Slam dunk win for you.

[dx100uk]

you should be reading up here during down times! not disappearing for  8 weeks doing nothing....

you should also be blocking and bouncing all emails and ignoring them.

you don't need to worry about anything until/unless you received a letter of claim.

then comeback here.

dx