UKCPS Piccadilly gateway house parking charge

[Goddamnninjas]

Hi all

I'm aware that there are quite a few posts about this already, just wanting to be thorough in getting advice.

 

I have received a parking charge notice form UKCPS for stopping briefly outside gateway house, this was because my GF and I were lost and trying to figure out where we needed to go.

 

We had both attended a concert at the Ritz on 9th of Feb, she had parked 'somewhere near the back of Piccadilly' and couldn't remember exactly where, while I had parked behind the Ritz. When we left the venue I drove her back to her car and we ended up stopping at Gateway house shortly before finding her car. I don't recall seeing any signs that said no stopping, though they could well be there.

We were there for no more than 5 minutes, the NTK doesn't give an end time for the infraction, just a time issued of 11:30.

 

On the 21st of Feb enterprise notified me that they had received a 'fine' and that the issuer had been informed of my details to reissue it to my address.

 

I followed up with them for details, and received scanned images of the 'fine', which was dated on the 15th of Feb.

 

The notice to hirer has arrived on the 9th of march, usual stuff offering reduced bill of £60 if paid within 14 days. 

 

I have not contacted them or appealed. 

 

Is the recommended course of action still to ignore, ignore, ignore? 

 

Have they started taking people to court yet?

 

I saw a number of threads stating that was the case, but the most recent I saw was from 6 months ago, I accept that could be due to poor searching on my part.  

 

I am a little concerned about taking this route as I tried that strategy over a Parking eye fine 10 or 12 years ago and they did actually take me to court and I was forced to pay over twice the original amount. 

 

Thanks in advance for your help. 

[dx100uk]

there are no court cases here for ukpc ever.for that location

 

it is not a fine and never can be.

 

shame you got caught by PE all those years ago, esp as they were even more unenforceable before pofa 2012 came in.

 

until or unless you ever get a letter of claim... you ignore everyone.

 

it would be nice if you fill in our sticky and scan uo bothsides of every letter to date

one mass pdf only please ]read upload

dx

 

[honeybee13]

Thread moved to the private parking forum.

 

This is the sticky thread dx is referring to.

 

 

HB

[Goddamnninjas]

1 Date of the infringement 9th Feb

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] Sent to Enterprise on 15th Feb, reissued to my address on 9th march. 
 

[scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'s

 

3 Date received Emailed by enterprise on 21st feb, Physical copy received on 13th march. 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Y
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes, a single picture.
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] no
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up no
 

7 Who is the parking company? UKCPS

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Piccadilly gateway house, Did not enter car park, performed U turn and stopped near the doors for approximately 5 minutes.
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

IAS

Notice to keeper march 23.pdf

[Nicky Boy]

Did they actually include ALL of the extra documents listed on the PCN?

[Goddamnninjas]

Forgive me if I'm being a little slow here, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. 

[dx100uk]

page 3 pdf has citation number

i hope enterprise havent charged you a fee either as it is NOT a traffic offence!

[Goddamnninjas]

They have, twice actually as I apparently also found myself in a bus lane at some point in the evening, due to not knowing the area. £35 each. 

[Nicky Boy]

Well, it looks like Enterprise haven't supplied the fleecers with a copy of your hire agreement or your signed statement of liability because of "commercial or confidential reasons".

 

I believe the fleecers MUST supply these to you.

 

i don't know whether the letter supplied by Enterprise is enough for them to take action.

 

Any comment guys?

[Goddamnninjas]

They did supply the signed rental agreement to them, I didn't think it was relevant enough to upload. 

[dx100uk]

which is why we asked for everything.

 

dx

 

[FTMDave]

On 17/03/2023 at 15:07, Goddamnninjas said:

They have, twice actually as I apparently also found myself in a bus lane at some point in the evening, due to not knowing the area. £35 each. 

Well, presuming payment has been made via your card, go and do a chargeback.  As dx says, you have not committed  a traffic offence, you have received an invoice from a private company.

[dx100uk]

YES FOR BOTH.

 

chargeback to your Bank.

 

start a new thread for the bus lane offence, spill the beans

 

dx

 

[brassnecked]

Yes Chargeback those two fees should have not been charged.

[Goddamnninjas]

Thanks for the advice folks, I will be ignoring the UKCPS bill, and sending the appropriate letters imminently.

 

Regarding the chargeback, is it still my right to do this if my signed rental agreement covers any charges associated with my use of the vehicle? the charges were for admin in processing the letters from the two issuing bodies. 

 

I will upload it as soon as I can, which I now realise I should have done initially.  

 

As for the bus lane contravention, i had assumed this was not something readily challenged, as I probably did drive through one due to being unfamiliar with the area. 

[dx100uk]

speculative invoices are NOT A TRAFFIC or Parking Offence.

its contract law arguments on private land.

 

the bus lane PCN so be it, but NEVER confuse a private parking charge as the same.

[lookinforinfo]

This is the first time I have seen a parking company provide the documents necessary to satisfy PoFA when the car is on hire.

 

In addition to the Notice to Hirer that you obviously received, did you also receive

1] a copy of the original PCN that was sent to Enterprise

2] a copy of the hire agreement

3] a copy of the statement of liability signed by the hirer under hat agreement

The statement of liability required by sub-paragraph (2)(c) must—

(a)contain a statement by the hirer to the effect that the hirer acknowledges responsibility for any parking charges that may be incurred with respect to the vehicle while it is hired to the hirer;

(b)include an address given by the hirer (whether a residential, business or other address) as one at which documents may be given to the hirer;I

 

It is interesting that  on the original PCN to Enterprise that say that the PCN was issued because of a parking offence and yet the reason they tell Enterprise for the ticket was because of a No Stopping event.

[Goddamnninjas]

Hi All

I've had my first follow up letter from UKCPS, which I will upload along with everything else I've had from them across this post and the next due to the file size limit. 

I have also drafted letters to send to the owner of Gateway house and UKCPS, Which I know I should have done sooner, there's been a lot of things going on the last few weeks and it slipped by me. 

 

For the owners

To whom It may concern

In relation to PCN GCL81975, issued by UKCPS acting on behalf of yourselves, for an alleged parking breach at Piccadilly gateway house. I am writing to confirm that I have no intention of paying this frankly exorbitant and made-up sum for breaking an imaginary parking contract.

Aside from the fact I parked for no longer than 5 minutes to get my bearings, due to being lost, the whole claim is a nonsense, which any judge would agree with.

Should your client wish to proceed with this farcical claim, it will be resisted robustly, and I’ll be seeking recovery of costs on the basis of unreasonable behaviour.

Yours sincerely

 

and UKCPS, essentially the same letter

 

 

To whom It may concern

In relation to PCN GCL81975, for an alleged parking breach Piccadilly gateway house. I am writing to confirm that I have no intention of paying this frankly exorbitant and made-up sum for breaking an imaginary contract with your client.

Aside from the fact I parked for no longer than 5 minutes to get my bearings, due to being lost, the whole claim is a nonsense, which any judge would agree with.

Should your client wish to proceed with this farcical claim, it will be resisted robustly, and I’ll be seeking recovery of costs on the basis of unreasonable behaviour.

Yours sincerely

 

Does this seem reasonable to you?

 

Thanks again for your help. 

 

 

UKPCS.pdf

[Nicky Boy]

Don't send anything.

 

Read DX's advice in post number 2 again....

 

And start reading up on other threads, so you know what to expect.

 

AND, you've left the PCN number showing on the upload!

Edited April 18, 2023 by Nicky Boy

[Goddamnninjas]

I did, when clicking on the word Ignore, it links to a page that says essentially send one letter in the vein that I posted, then nothing more. 

[dx100uk]

Did you do the chargeback??

 

You should not blindly be clicking anything nor sending anything!!!

 

Radio silence!!

 

Dx

[Nicky Boy]

DX,

 

To be fair, the hotlink on the word "ignore" in post 2 does seem to take you to some outdated advice?

[Goddamnninjas]

In that case then I'm glad I haven't sent anything yet then, however, as Nicky said, the link was in your post when I initially asked. I haven't done the chargeback, as I said earlier, life has gotten away from me a little recently. 

 

[dx100uk]

the ignore link is the forum software doing it not my advice.

 

if you go ready a few of the 50+ gateway Piccadilly threads here you would not be asking such questions.

youve been here more than a month ...cag isself help too not individual nursemaiding.

 

 

 

and go do that chargeback!

 

dx

[Goddamnninjas]

I did read several, and a number of times they had letters like the ones I posted, which were ones that you linked people to.

 

They may not have been the most recent, but that was what I saw people doing, hence I asked before sending anything.

 

I’m not just being stupid here, I followed something simple that you posted on several previous threads as advice for people to follow.

 

Also, if that ignore link is not your advice, then something needs changing on the forum so it doesn’t get added to your posts.