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    • Thank you for posting up the results from the sar. The PCN is not compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. Under Section 9 [2][a] they are supposed to specify the parking time. the photographs show your car in motion both entering and leaving the car park thus not parking. If you have to do a Witness Statement later should they finally take you to Court you will have to continue to state that even though you stayed there for several hours in a small car park and the difference between the ANPR times and the actual parking period may only be a matter of a few minutes  nevertheless the CEL have failed to comply with the Act by failing to specify the parking period. However it looks as if your appeal revealed you were the driver the deficient PCN will not help you as the driver. I suspect that it may have been an appeal from the pub that meant that CEL offered you partly a way out  by allowing you to claim you had made an error in registering your vehicle reg. number . This enabled them to reduce the charge to £20 despite them acknowledging that you hadn't registered at all. We have not seen the signs in the car park yet so we do not what is said on them and all the signs say the same thing. It would be unusual for a pub to have  a Permit Holders Only sign which may discourage casual motorists from stopping there. But if that is the sign then as it prohibits any one who doesn't have a permit, then it cannot form a contract with motorists though it may depend on how the signs are worded.
    • Defence and Counterclaim Claim number XXX Claimant Civil Enforcement Limited Defendant XXXXXXXXXXXXX   How much of the claim do you dispute? I dispute the full amount claimed as shown on the claim form.   Do you dispute this claim because you have already paid it? No, for other reasons.   Defence 1. The Defendant is the recorded keeper of XXXXXXX  2. It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with the Claimant. 3. As held by the Upper Tax Tribunal in Vehicle Control Services Limited v HMRC [2012] UKUT 129 (TCC), any contract requires offer and acceptance. The Claimant was simply contracted by the landowner to provide car-park management services and is not capable of entering into a contract with the Defendant on its own account, as the car park is owned by and the terms of entry set by the landowner. Accordingly, it is denied that the Claimant has authority to bring this claim. 4. In any case it is denied that the Defendant broke the terms of a contract with the Claimant. 5. The Claimant is attempting double recovery by adding an additional sum not included in the original offer. 6. In a further abuse of the legal process the Claimant is claiming £50 legal representative's costs, even though they have no legal representative. 7. The Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety. It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief at all. Signed I am the Defendant - I believe that the facts stated in this form are true XXXXXXXXXXX 01/05/2024   Defendant's date of birth XXXXXXXXXX   Address to which notices about this claim can be sent to you  
    • pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform. [if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time] . When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’.  Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time.  You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word. You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID.  You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.<<**IMPORTANT**  then log in to the bulk court Website .  select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box. .  then using the details required from the claimform . defend all leave jurisdiction unticked  you DO NOT file a defence at this time [BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ] click thru to the end confirm and exit the website .get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim type your name ONLY no need to sign anything .you DO NOT await the return of paperwork. you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.
    • well post it here as a text in a the msg reply half of it is blanked out. dx  
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and more on Wragg, who has been allowed to resign the Tory whip, rather than be fired with a loss of all (taxpayer funded) benefits

(and thats just resign from the Tory party and his preferential seats on committees NOT as a taxpayer funded MP)

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‘Honeytrap’ MP William Wragg accidentally reveals WiFi password during photoshoot

 

Incompetence aside, Seems basic justice that he should be sacked with loss of all benefits and prosecuted.

He quite deliberately gave MPs contact details to a clearly criminal and/or foreign power actor,

and he knew and has briefed what he should have done. NO excuses.

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Crumbling: Hospitals, Schools, council services, businesses and roads

 

If only the Govt had thrown a protective ring around care homes

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Eat your heart out @theoldrouge

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Pact involves cutting security waiting times but also increasing numbers sent back

The package of bills agreed promises to cut times for security and asylum procedures and increase returns to reduce unwanted immigration from the Middle East and Africa, a high priority on the EU’s agenda.

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I see the Brexit-ish are again delaying  implementing their 'grate deal' 'protecting the UKs borders' that they pressed through with the wholehearted support of MPs like smugg - who is now one of the main moaners saying this inflation raising and business destroying 'great deal'  shouldn't be implemented.

Of course 3 of the benefits of NOT implementing the Brexitish grate deal as the Brexitish negotiated are:

 

1. Less UK businesses will collapse

2. UK inflation NOT increased by 0.6% (hence fiddling the figures to us scraping NOT being in a Brexit generated recession)

3. The problems will be dumped in labours lap after the GE

 

"Analysis by specialist credit insurance firm Allianz Trade said the removal of tariffs on the goods would reduce inflation by 0.6 percentage points, and cut import costs by close to 7 billion pounds ($8.8 billion) in nominal terms."

 

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https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-economy-grows-by-01-february-2024-04-12/

 

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According to reports, Britain faces a £2 billion post-Brexit bill on European food imports from the end of the month.

 

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Oh - and dont forget - under WTO RULES - NOT applying tariffs has to apply to EVERYONE who doesn't have an alternate 'deal' - and most of which existing deals will undoubtedly be cancelled if its to the other parties benefit unless the UK unilaterally drop them

The UK doesn't apply tariffs as the Brexitish are incompetent - but other countries can - What a bonus for foreigners eh Brexitish?

- all as obvious and stated years ago in the other thread.

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Slots for elephant hunters in Botswana coming up isn't there?

Only circa $45,000 dollars cost per safari - much cheaper than Rwanda eh?

 

I see the ANDERSON family is still trying up his cost .. and charge the tories

 

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Can someone clarify the difference  between 'National Conservatism' and 'National Socialism'?

as they both seem to clearly promote racial hate and dictators among many other similarities .. its long been the case - its even the name coming out from hiding now

 

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You cant fault her loyalty, I mean, the extremes shes gone to to ensure Johnson the corrupt incompetent liar doesn't stand out alone and head, shoulders and buttocks above all others as the worst PM in UK history.

- presumably paving the path to his imminent return with the new slogan 'could be worse, could be Truss'

 

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and another one

 

MP Mark Menzies loses Tory whip as party investigates claims he misused funds

"According to a source close to Mr Menzies, the MP had met a man on an online dating website and gone to the man’s flat, before subsequently going with another man to a second address where he continued drinking. He was sick at one point and several people at the address demanded £5,000, claiming it was for cleaning up and other expenses."

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Never mind losing whip - how about criminal charges

 

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The Fylde MP is alleged to have used campaign funds to pay off ‘bad people’ and cover medical expenses

 

ALSO According to the The Times, £14,000 given by donors for use on Tory campaign activities was transferred to Mr Menzies’ personal bank accounts and used for private medical expenses.

The MP, who is one of Rishi Sunak’s trade envoys, is also said to have called his 78-year-old former campaign manager at 3.15am one day in December, claiming he was locked in a flat and needed £5,000 as a matter of “life and death”.

 

Hes supposed to use funding from Taxpayers and doners for a life of service, not funding a life of drink and debauchery

Hope his parliamentary expenses are also investigated.

 

In fact, perhaps Mr Bates next role in life should be as an independent investigator of Parliamentary expenses?

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Another one. Apparently this has been hushed up for about three months. They're working through their majority quite fast with all the sackings. Not that they've done anything about Menzies yet but he sounds like a blackmail risk.

Here's the original article.

 

 

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Yep - lost whip as headline says

BUT apparently after Times article on various apparent misuses of funds was scheduled .. These actions of his uncovered by the Times were last year

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Or simply hoping they would evade/fade away from public awareness with no headlines?

 

When is a labour MP referring Jenrick to police for either breaking lockdown and lying about it and/or lying about his main residence/election registration fraud

Same with satans little helper Cummings - among a number of other tory shysters

 

.. Tory MPs without whip turning into quite a large party isnt it

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Record high: Taxes, Immigration, Excrement in waterways, energy company/crony profits

Crumbling: Hospitals, Schools, council services, businesses and roads

 

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I don't know how popular that would be now that time has passed.

I think a lot of people would be interested in trying to get back money from contracts supplying faulty PPE when they see people who had no experience in supplying it buying mansions. It's a mystery to me why Lady Moan is the only one being pursued.

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Torys seem to think its worth while - cheap muckspreading while they get away with ACTUALLY doing it?

More the aspect of ensuring that when these tactics are used without justification - make sure your people aren't doing it more and worse or their crap spread on the waters ...

- mind you, the Tories would have to maybe even ease off on their using taxpayer and donor money to fund their preferred lifestyles wouldn't they? Maybe even do the jobs they are paid for?

 

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Crumbling: Hospitals, Schools, council services, businesses and roads

 

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and starmer is at last calling for police investigations into blatant Tory corruption and misuse of funds

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Labour leader says police ‘should be involved’ after Tory MP was alleged to have misused campaign funds to pay off ‘bad people’

 

 

and didnt I read just yesterday some Tory saying that taxpayers would not be bailing out mismanagement by private companies - specifically water companies - yet today:

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Given Starmer's previous job he should know whether it's a police matter or not.

It's, err, interesting that Tory HO are happy to set Greater Manchester Police on Angela Rayner for £2-3k which has already been investigated but not think it's worth calling them in to investigate Menzies.

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Possibly some good news for young people in the UK and Europe, plus universities and employers either side of the Channel.

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European Commission to seek approval from leaders to start talks with UK on visa-free exchanges for 18- to 30-year-olds

 

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wont Truss, patel and the right b-ilk be utterly opposed to any co-operating with their 'mortal enemy'?

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Looks that way :-)

 

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ah - here it is - .. Yesterday

UK finance minister: Thames Water must sort out its own issues

"I make no comment on Thames because they need to sort out their own issues," Hunt told reporters during a visit to Washington when asked what a government-led administration process for Thames Water could do for investors' confidence in Britain.
"What we're never going to do for people who invest in the UK, is say that the state is going to insure you against bad decisions made by management or shareholders. That's what markets are about."
 
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So was the chancellor not informed of this massive encompassing plan ..  or was he lying/misleading

Today:

Thames Water nationalisation plan could move bulk of £15bn debt to state

 

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Exclusive: Under Whitehall blueprint for water company some lenders could lose up to 40% of their money

 

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The Tory Legacy

Record high: Taxes, Immigration, Excrement in waterways, energy company/crony profits

Crumbling: Hospitals, Schools, council services, businesses and roads

 

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with the same gusto they do around their crooked MPs

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