Should we trust Sunak or the next PM to fix the Country's problems? (title revised 24/10/22)

[honeybee13]

Israel shot some of their own young men who thought they were being freed after being held hostage by Hamas, didn't they?

[tobyjugg2]

yes. Seems standard procedure for IDF - if in doubt, or even if you're not - shoot and claim you thought they were Hamas.

The one you refer the IDF followed a survivor into a building and shot him helpless while he was telling them he was an escaped Israeli - after shooting the others despite a white flag, shouting to the soldiers and writing help we are Israeli hostages who have escaped on the buildings.

...  Dont forget the USS Liberty

 

Monsters (Israel under Netanyahu)

 

 

Seems the UK and America is breaching international law in supplying Israel with weapons.

Edited April 3 by tobyjugg2

[theoldrouge]

Genocide, what a complete load of leftie bilge
Even if you believe the doubtful Hamas figures 
of 30,000 killed the IDF state that 15,000 terrorists have been taken out 
so that’s a kill rate of 1 to 1
Compare that to a normal war kill rate
of one combatant for every five civilians 
All the left are doing is supporting Hamas propaganda 
It is absolutely imperative for the security of the west that Israel eliminate Hamas

[honeybee13]

Would you say Hamas are more of a threat than Russia, TOR?

[tobyjugg2]

Ex MI6 chief blames Israel’s ‘systematic targeting’ for death of aid workers

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Sir Alex Younger says Israel risks losing its claim of ‘moral purpose’ in Gaza war

 

Israeli military accused of targeting journalists and their families in Gaza | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian

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Committee to Protect Journalists says at least 68 journalists and media workers killed since 7 October

Benjamin Netanyahu's not-so-prescient 2002 message to Congress about Iraq

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"There is no question whatsoever that Saddam is seeking, is working, is advancing towards to the development of nuclear weapons."

 

[tobyjugg2]

"Right now, I’m on my way to a TV interview where I’m going to speak about our movement’s efforts to return to Gaza, the entire Gaza, and build settlements."

"The borders of the homeland of the Jews are the Euphrates in the east and the Nile in the southwest." [This would include the territory of multiple Middle Eastern countries as well as the territory that Israel controls today.]

"I thought you were going to say, “It’s O.K. to kick Palestinians off land because it belongs to the Jewish people.”

- Daniella Weiss one of the leaders of Israel’s settlement movement in an interview with the newyorker. Nov 2023

 

 

More children killed in Gaza than in global conflicts annually over past 4 years, Save the Children says

A total of 12,193 children were killed between 2019 and 2022 globally, and a total of 12,300 children were killed in Gaza between October 2023 and February 2024

- From CNN Staff

 

 

The Extreme Ambitions of West Bank Settlers | The New Yorker

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A leader of the settlement movement on expanding into Gaza, and her vision for the Jewish state.

New Israeli settlements shrink Palestinian presence in West Bank

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Farmers roaming their sheep and goats are now told they are trespassing on Israeli ‘state land’, in the largest territory seizures...

 

As war rages in Gaza, Israeli settlers drive a new wave of anti-Palestinian violence

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At least 132 Palestinians have been killed by security forces and settlers in the past three weeks, according to the U.N. In 2022, 158...

As Gaza is destroyed, Israel is killing dozens of children in the West Bank | Arwa Mahdawi | The Guardian

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A 12-year-old Palestinian boy was shot while lighting a firework. ‘Cases like these happen quite regularly, but no one’s hearing about...

 

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Appears to be deliberate targeting, given the 3 separate vehicles.  These days there are drones up, so they would have seen live footage of what targets they were looking to destroy.  

UK and other nations need to stop sending any further military resources to Israel. And there needs to be a ceasefire, so there can be steps taken to try to allow safe passage of innocent civilians to safer areas, where they can receive any aid they need.

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, theoldrouge said:

of 30,000 killed the IDF state that 15,000 terrorists have been taken out 
so that’s a kill rate of 1 to 1
Compare that to a normal war kill rate
of one combatant for every five civilians 
 

 

Relayed straight from the propaganda of those attempting to excuse implementing mass murder of children, starvation and forced displacement - aka genocide

We should no more believe the propaganda of the IDF and netanyahu - in contradiction of the hundreds of credible news reports and videos

- than we should believe the modern right wing neo nazis who deny that the atrocities and genocide of the holocaust occurred .. or the Nazis themselves when they excused displacing Jews at gunpoint to starve and murder them and their children while stealing their homes and businesses.

Edited April 4 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

I'm sure the Tory party members don't mind, given their parties attempts to grab and sell on other peoples data (Covid app for just one example)

 

Senior Conservative party officials worked on plans to hand over its entire membership database for a commercial venture that promised to make tens of millions of pounds, the Guardian can reveal.

Leaked documents show Tory executives discussed exploiting members’ personal data to build a mobile phone app that could track users’ locations and allow big brands to advertise to Conservative supporters.

 

 

Tories planned to make millions from members’ data with ‘True Blue’ app | Conservatives | The Guardian

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Exclusive: senior party officials worked on commercial venture that would allow brands to sell products to supporters

 

[honeybee13]

That sounds awful, TJ.

If they'll do that to their own party members, what will they do to the rest of us whose information they have access to?

[honeybee13]

Israel has kicked out Al-Jazeera and has brought in a law banning foreign journos. This could be a step towards a news blackout. Journos are worried.

Israel: new law granting closure of foreign media outlets threatens media freedom

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[tobyjugg2]

I suppose the IDF must be rather fed up with explaining why and how they were murdering them?

... and aid workers, and health workers, and children ..

 

.. On Israeli war crimes that many of us (including me) have been turning a blind eye to, many of which reported by Jewish archivists and journalists over the years. More of the same:

* Using children as shields

* Murder of surrendering soldiers and unarmed civilians

* Murder of civilians via indiscriminate bombing and shelling

* White phosphorous bombs in crowded civilian areas including aid sites - err rather like those dropped from rather high tech unidentified planes in Syria - on assads actual own people - which were blamed on Assad

 

Nothing secret about them ..  apart from Israel denying everything :

Israeli war crimes - Wikipedia

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and more on the murder of the aid workers

1. The route and trucks were fully reported to the IDF AS REQUIRED

2. They were following the clear and very open route required by the IDF

3. It was a systematic, very targeted multiple strike attack with pauses as the survivors moved from clearly marked vehicles on an open road that had been hit to other clearly marked vehicles in the small convoy

4. The aide workers repeatedly contacted the IDF through the attack - but were ignored.

 

That sounds like targeted murder of aid workers to me.

 

Britain needs to stop supplying arms to Israel - any we have would far better serve the UKs interests delivered to Ukraine

Edited April 4 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

From Conservative Home on Twitter.

EDITOR'S NOTE: A reliable source informs me Rishi's wife Akshata Murty has been telling Sajid Javid's wife Laura that she wants an election now so they can move to California immediately.

If true, just resign NOW @RishiSunak and give us a Conservative leader who cares longterm!

 

[honeybee13]

 

[honeybee13]

If true this is a very worrying development.

In an unprecedented move, according to two of the sources, the army also decided during the first weeks of the war that, for every junior Hamas operative that Lavender marked, it was permissible to kill up to 15 or 20 civilians; in the past, the military did not authorize any “collateral damage” during assassinations of low-ranking militants. The sources added that, in the event that the target was a senior Hamas official with the rank of battalion or brigade commander, the army on several occasions authorized the killing of more than 100 civilians in the assassination of a single commander....

For example, sources explained that the Lavender machine sometimes mistakenly flagged individuals who had communication patterns similar to known Hamas or PIJ operatives — including police and civil defense workers, militants’ relatives, residents who happened to have a name and nickname identical to that of an operative, and Gazans who used a device that once belonged to a Hamas operative....

“There was a completely permissive policy regarding the casualties of [bombing] operations — so permissive that in my opinion it had an element of revenge,” D., an intelligence source, claimed. “The core of this was the assassinations of senior [Hamas and PIJ commanders] for whom they were willing to kill hundreds of civilians. We had a calculation: how many for a brigade commander, how many for a battalion commander, and so on.”

‘Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in Gaza

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The Israeli army has marked tens of thousands of Gazans as suspects for assassination, using an AI targeting system with little human oversight and...

 

[tobyjugg2]

eg: - anyone traveling in a Toyota hillux to/from groupings of people, or - we think a Hamas person is in a building in that block - so torch the block with phosphorus and high explosives

 

- and the latest - Destroy hospitals and steal the servers as they are reporting deaths that show we are murdering civilians and children

 

Edited April 5 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Australian writer Caitlin Johnstone wrote this week:

‘Israel has ended its assault on the al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza, because there is nothing left to assault. The facility — the largest medical complex in Gaza where hundreds of civilians had been sheltering — is now an empty, unusable, burnt-out husk. Witnesses report hundreds of corpses in and around the complex, with video footage showing human body parts protruding from the earth and bodies with zip ties on their wrists.’

 

see embedded links

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[unclebulgaria67]

Alan Duncan has some very strong views on fellow Tories positions in regard to Israel.

 

[tobyjugg2]

Shold start with an admitted security risk who will give information on other MPs opening them to tracking, fraud, and compromise simply to protect his own image after compromising himself

 

William Wragg honey trap scandal is ‘extremely troubling’ says minister

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Conservative colleagues fear the attack may be the work of a hostile foreign state

 

 

[honeybee13]

Honestly, what was Wragg thinking? And when he was the chair of a parliamentary committee.

Also, what were the MPs who sent intimate photos of themselves to people they didn't know thinking? Makes you wonder about the quality of our MPs.

 

[honeybee13]

What kind of idiot does this?

Who is behind the Westminster WhatsApp ‘honeytrap’ stings? | Politics | The Guardian

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Senior figures suggest a foreign state, others believe a political insider is the more likely culprit

 

[tobyjugg2]

Not even had whip suspended has he? Even over what is touted by Con MPs to be a foreign power sting which he has aided and abetted

Shows the deep levels of them and us and the rules dont apply mentality embedded in the cons.

 

"if it does turn out to have been a hostile state actor, the fact that this low-rent exercise was all they needed to do to hook in politicians. Master spycraft this was not."

"We are not dealing with some sorry case of a confused pensioner made an easy victim by new technology, but a 36-year-old digital native."

On the plus side for Rishi Sunak, losing Hazel Grove now would wipe one off the tally of Tory seats that will be lost in the general election.

- Marina Hyde

 

I'm still waiting on the police getting involved in the Jenrick et al lobbying/pal aiding/house jumping during lockdown/voter register fiddles

- mind you, Sunack will be long back in California by then wont he?

Edited April 5 by tobyjugg2

[theoldrouge]

On 04/04/2024 at 09:04, honeybee13 said:

Would you say Hamas are more of a threat than Russia, TOR?

Absolutely via Iran 

[theoldrouge]

RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: When U.S. troops kill aid workers, it's 'friendly fire'. When Israel does, it's a 'war crime'. The double standards are nauseating | Daily Mail Online

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The call came through as I was leaving Twickenham after an England rugby international in March 2003. My old friend...

U.S. troops kill aid workers, it's 'friendly fire'. When Israel does, it's a 'war crime'. The double standards are nauseating

[tobyjugg2]

Maybe to you, but to me they are both war crimes - like the US Apache crew  murdering journalists after a confirmation to fire from their command - one of a relatively few - but still a war crime - albeit arguably mistaken identity initially in that case

- Like the Israelis seemingly deliberately targeting journalists, health and aid workers - no mistaken identity - deliberate murder.

Edited April 6 by tobyjugg2