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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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Hi,

I have accrued some considerable debts with a number of creditors on CC and a few loans over a period of 8 years and since i split with a toxic ex and had to start again.

following a pandemic which stripped my income in half and around the time my promo offers expired and I was now being hammered with 20% average interest rates things were manageable.

I got by by using a CVPP for a year which ended in march. I have since set up a DMP with Stepchange and will no doubt be chased for the arrears soon.

4 cc have rejected the offers sent across. 2 have dropped their interest rates to 0% under persistent debt.

I have a large commission coming in May pay which could wipe a reasonable chunk off my debt and leave me about in the black in terms of income/outcome

 Ive come to the conclusion i am not going to struggle to pay this for the rest of my days.

I have opened a new bank account and plan to move my commission over. I figured, only one of my creditors needs to default me for my credit to be screwed ( even though i dont think it can go lower)

why not just accept the inevitable and let them have at it. over half of my debts are over the 5k threshold for court action so i am concerned this might not be the right path.

To be clear, I have attempted to setup payment plans with each but its taken me days to get hold of anyone to discuss renegotiating interest rates so i ended up going back to stepchange.

No one wants to discuss they just want to fill in tick boxes and no one can think outside the box or gives a monkeys to see my situation so i am getting close to going rogue and telling them to shove it. 

I genuinely want to pay this money back and rebuild my life again but i cant deal with robots anymore.

I could pay 20k off my debts end of the month, i could sell my car and pay another 10k off but cash flow is always a concern.

I need to run a business and my bank (worst offenders) are threatening to whip my overdraft away which has been my lifeline. all in the name of being " a responsible lender"

my salary resets that every month so they get a few quid from me in interest so i just see this as them trying to shut me down.

Any advice?

Ive had 1 termination letter which has given me until 3rd june to get upto date or get defaulted.

i can get all my accounts up to date by the end of the month and pay a few things off but it only barely gets me back to a positive in the bank, but not by much.

shall i stash the money and when defaulted make offers?

keep for any ccj notices?

many options but im getting a little overwhelmed here.

any advice on how best to use this money would be appreciated.

my parents spent their lives being hounded by debt collectors and threats and I dont want that for my daughter.

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Welcome.

1st.. original creditors don't do court and there is no '£5k' court limit. I think you mean the old £5k (now £10k) small claims threshold between STD and fast track. But forget all that ...

I would as you have? Open a parachute account and let the bank wriggle 

How old are you debts and what are they .list them. Please

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Shawbrook loan nov 2019  7.8k

HSBC loan Jun2 2019  5.8k

HSBC CC June 2018 5k

MBNA CC Nov 2016 6.4k

Virgin CC Nov 2016 7.8k

Halifax CC1 Aug 2016 9.5k

Halifax CC2 Nov 2015 7.5k

Barclaycard April 2013 8.7k

John Lewis Loan Jan 2019 8.7k

 

Rest is on a car HP which i am paying off then selling the car

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how far into the car HP are you?

anywhere near 50% mark?

 

who's the OD with?

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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just a year into a 4 year term. I can settle early and save on the interest. the price of second hand cars now are high due to new car delays so I am hoping to make 10k extra on it and get a run around.

 

its with Audi finance (VW) i might send them an offer and see if i can shave 1k off my offer.

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aw well worth an ask.

 

pers i'd do this debt stuff yourself rather than getting stepchange involved.

 

why dont you go pro rata to all of them .. or have you?

our pro rata letters are in the debt collection section of our library.

 

im always a bit wary of using any lump sums that come thru to pay debt off.

you need that to live on, you dont know income going forward.

 

lets face it, your credit file is going to be trashed

so get all the debts defaulted now

then at least in 6yrs you'll have a clean file

rather than staggering the defaults.

 

just stop paying every credit debt.

let each one issue a default notice

then go from there.

 

just keep you income out of everyones hands incase they offset it.

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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reason i got in touch with stepchange was because trying to contact anyone who isnt a braindead phone jockey was impossible. just the same robotic forms and rigidity in their way of working. If i could speak to someone with some authority i would have but i ran out of time so i went to stepchange.

 

Stepchange, although free dont have your interests at heart, only the creditors it seems.

 

i can deal with defaults but whats the likelihood of CCJs? would they go straight in? or would they wait until my defaults to a late stage then try and do me over for another 6 years?

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As dx has said 

Who is the OD with and who have you opened your parachute account with. Let’s check there are no bank connections 

Cancel all your DDs other than the HP and build up your cash resources 

Do you own a property?

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overdraft 

 

puts you in quite a good position if you own no property then, 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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my overdraft is with HSBC. this is the thing that would kick me in the balls if i lost it as its been my lifeline so far. its 4.5k.

 

I do have a car i need to sell (as much as I really dont want too...) and ill get 20k for that but i have to pay the early settlement which is just under 10k.

 

l have the month end of month and it saves me £342.30 and my car allowance from work means im 742.30 better off a month. plus the sale of the car and buying another which i plan to put in on of my parents names

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what do you mean if you 'lost it'?

its in credit then?
 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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They have been talking about doing something with it. Wanting me to discuss it with them and reduce it. I have been expecting them to just whip it from under me for a while now. 

 

It gets cleared every payday 

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Welcome Rodeman.

 

Always listen to the posters with thousands of posts over anything I might say, however I'm keen to start helping people where I can and sharing my experience.

 

Your total debt amount is similar to mine, see my thread, I'm now over a year since my last payment to any of them, nothing has happened with the exception of a ludicrous amount of paper being jammed through my letter box.

 

I cannot comment on your car finance, but I will say that anything that is consumer credit (credit cards, loans etc) and are solely in your name, cannot hurt you and likely are unenforcable if you follow the guidance you will get here.

If I were you and I had a lump sum coming (you seem to suggest this), I would secure that into another account (one not linked by finance group to the original creditors, co-op I hear is a good one looking at your list of creditor's) and take dx's advice in post #6.

 

Don't answer the phone - letter correspondence only

Keep all letters in separate folders - trust me, this will help in the months to come when they start selling things on.

Never discuss your income and expenditure with anyone.

And last but certainly not least, relax - everything's going to be fine

 

BT

 

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Stop all income going into that ruddy od 

Get every penny of income paid into a parachute account.

 

Do not set up any dd's from this 

Pay your priority bills by Bacs.

 

Dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks, I appreciate it. My car is on hp so I am assuming it's something they can't take as it doesn't belong to me?

 

So setup standing orders with my priority debts like rent etc.

 

My hp is DD but they won't take more than the set amount plus I am not in arrears and intend to keep paying as it's safer to have hp (I assume) than my own car from say court bailiffs if it came to that.

 

Just to note my parachute account is NatWest. Are they affiliated to my list of creditors?

 

 

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Ref affiliation, had dig around and you should be fine. Natwest are part of RBS group.

 

My parachute account has affiliation (noted after the fact) with some of my creditors and nothing has happened because the Original Creditors are so quick to sell the accounts onto debt purchasers, who have no financial affiliation with any banking groups.

 

From what I understand co-op would have been a good choice for me having a similar list of creditors to you but I wouldn't worry RodeMan

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On 07/05/2022 at 17:43, RodeMan said:

My car is on hp I am assuming it's something they can't take as it doesn't belong to me?

who can't take it and why would 'they'???

On 07/05/2022 at 17:43, RodeMan said:

My hp is DD but they won't take more than the set amount plus I am not in arrears and intend to keep paying as it's safer to have hp (I assume) than my own car from say court bailiffs if it came to that.

court bailiffs are YEARS away if ever

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Car isn't technically mine I'm just a registered keeper. If they took it they would essentially be stealing from a finance company. But I'm aware some will try and clamp or act as if they have the right even though court bailiffs couldn't as it's not my property.

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not sure why you are worrying about bailiffs and cars being clamped/involved.

 

OC's don't do court

the debts are not sold yet.

 

and even if they are purchased by a DCA

they are NOT BAILIFFS

and have

absolutely ZERO legal powers on ANY debt.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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hi all.

 

HSBC has just sent me a small cheque for the interest charged during my breathing space period. Im suspicious it might be a way to find my new account. could this be the case or am i just being paranoid?

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Yes Paranoid.

They can't do anything like that 

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and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi all,

 

Just a quick update.

 

The majority of my accounts are defaulted and 2 are now sold on. I have been keeping records in folders, keeping the letters in the original envelopes dated when received.

 

I have read another thread from MrPloppy who has been told to pay token payments to the new creditors, I dont believe this was explained to me. Should I be expected to offer this? or will this prolong the statute barred process so they can summon me to court whenever they please?

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OC's very very rarely do court.

 

mr ploppy was advised to resume paying debts still owned by original creditors once defaulted if he wished 

you 3 2019 loans MIGHT be candidates if you wish

 

but yes it does extend the SB of course, payment by YOU is acknowledgement

 

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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