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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Thats what l meant. The person would need to provide lots of paperwork to say they can legally drive etc 

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It's been significantly over 30 days and the company have not responded to the SAR. I can try to contact the ICO but will that really help me. 

 

I've received a redacted copy of the hire agreement relevant to those PCNs in response to the TfL SAR and there is a hire contract in my name but clearly someone entered into that fraudulently.

 

The out of time application was rejected by the court so I filed an N244 form to appeal that. I've received the witness statement from Redbridge where they oppose my initial out of time application. It essentially says that they send me notices and reminders etc..

 

In any case, the court set a hearing for my N244 application (which was yesterday) and granted me a 14 day time extension.

 

The question I have is what is the time extension for seeming as I submitted a TE7 form with the TE9 form back in October.

 

To submit another TE9?

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No further details on the hire agreement like where live photocopys of documents etc. 

 

Who is the hire company. 

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I will ATTEMPT to keep my answer simple.

 

If a PCN remains unpaid after 28 days, the motorist loses the right to appeal or to pay at the earlier discounted rate. A  Charge Certificate will then be issued and the debt increases by 50%.

 

If payment is not made within 14 days, the local authority may REGISTER the debt at the Traffic Enforcement Centre. A 'registration fee' of £9 will be added.  Registration does not mean that a judgment will be entered.

 

When registering the debt, the local authority will issue a 3rd notice called an Order for Recovery. The  motorist has 21 days to EITHER...pay the amount outstanding....OR...file the attached Statutory Declaration (or Witness Statement). A valid Statutory Declaration (Witness Statement) submitted within 21 days will ALWAYS revoke the debt registration. It is important to stress that this will not mean that the PCN itself is cancelled. The local authority  can then reissue the original PCN and the motorist may then either appeal...or pay at the earlier rate. 

 

A Statutory Declaration /Witness Statement (form PE3 or TE9) may still be submitted AFTER 21 days, but it will have to be accompanied by an additional form called Form PE2 or TE7 (Application to file a Statement Out of Time/Extension of Time). Such an application will NOT automatically revoke the debt registration. Instead, TEC will forward the application forms to the relevant local authority and the council are given 19 business days in which to decide whether they are willing to accept the reason given by the motorist as to why they could not file their Witness Statement/Stat Dec within 21 days. If the local authority refuse to accept the reason given, the motorist can then file an N244 Application. There is a fee to pay of £109...or £275 for a hearing in person. 

 

In your case, the District Judge has decided to EXTEND THE TIME in which you can file your application (Forms TE7 and TE9). TEC will now process the original forms already filed.  You are NOT required to submit new forms. 

 

If they wish, Redbridge Council may re-issue the PCN to you (at the earlier rate). You will then be able to either pay...or appeal the contravention.  

 

 Sadly, you will not be able to claim back the £275 court fee. 

 

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Thanks @Baliff Advice - that is understood.

 

In that case, I won't file any additional forms and will await the re-issue of the PCN by Redbridge Council.

 

Do you by any chance know if they will re-issue it to the address on my TE7 and TE9 forms or if they will re-issue it to the same address they first issued it to (which I moved out off and hence didn't appeal in time etc.)?

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I've spoken to the TEC and they have asked me to re-submit a TE9 form and provide evidence of the judgement. 

 

I am trying to obtain evidence of the judgement as I haven't formally received evidence/a letter from the court but I think best to re-submit a TE9 form before the revised deadline in any case if that is what the TEC are asking for?

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This is complete madness. There is NO Judgment recorded against you. I am assuming that what TEC are referring to is that they require a copy of the Order from the Court that held your hearing. 

 

Have you spoken to the Court? I would suggest that you do so.

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Yes, I think that is correct. I've spoken to the court's general services and then said it can take up to 21 days for a copy of the order to be delivered to me so I should email them asking for confirmation of the order, which I did earlier today. 

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As TEC have not as yet received a copy of the Court Order, then enforcement of the warrant would still be 'on hold' so I would not worry at this stage. 

 

Please do post back once you have received the Order. 

 

PS: I am adamant that TEC do NOT require a fresh TE9!!

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I understand from the TEC that their warrant is currently on hold so I am not concerned there, however, my concern is related to the time extension order expiring. I was given a 14 day time extension so if I need to do something, I need to do it quickly, i.e. before 10 May. 

 

I also don't have any problems with re-submitting a TE9 form. I'll provide updated address details (I've moved house again recently) and the administrative burden is far outweighed by knowing that it can't be said that I didn't submit forms within my time extension.

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Unfortunately, I have now received another notice of enforcement from Newlyn (enforcement agent) relating to a PCN issued by Waltham Forest council.

 

I've spoken to the council and insisted that they take control of the PCN back from the TEC but they insisted that they cannot do this and that I should submit TE7 and TE9 forms.

 

Is doing so the best cause of action?

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best to create a second thread i think.

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I seriously dont understand how these people manged to get a car without providing id. 

Just to get one from 2 local companys my partner need to provided photo id proof of address proof of how long we had been at the address. A utility bill or council tax letter. Proof of no points on license. 

 

How come nothing was asked for. 

 

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Identity Theft is a real problem and more common place than people think, for those affected by Identity Theft it can take a long time to resolve.

 

I would recommend you go to your local police station and ask to speak to a Detective, remember to take all your documents with you (proof of being out of the county etc)

 

The person who is using your identity to hire vehicles is commiting acts of fraud and deception, additionally any vehicle being used that person will NOT be covered by insurance.

 

The police can and should be able to notify London/Met Police who can enter the vehicle(s) registration number(s) onto their ANPR systems.


The Police would have reasonable cause to stop and detain the driver until their identity can be fully established.

 

Until the person using your ID is stopped, your unlikely to make any headway in resolving matters with bailiffs

 

There was a similar case about a year ago and VCAS and the local MP stepped in to resolve it, this also involved a vehicle in London using cloned plates, Met Police used ANPR to stop and arrest the driver.

 

https://victimcareandadviceservice.uk/another-post/

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As people of Identity Fraud quickly come to realise, Support for Victims is scarce at best. At the moment in English Law, a person whose Identity is stolen/used are not considered a victim.

Your Bank/Credit Card have better protection in law than a person.

 

The Police you spoke to are correct in directing you to Action Fraud as there is nothing to the Police can do help you until you suffer a financial loss (ie the fraudster obtains a loan in your name)

 

But they can STOP the driver as I previously said. The driver is driving a vehicle under false pretences, Multiple offences : Obtaining Money/Goods or Services by deception, No insurance, He has given a false identity so NO insurance will be valid and if he is using the vehicle(s) in a private hire mode (Uber etc) that will just make things worse for him.

 

Bailiffs are known to use ANPR, so they may come across the vehicle(s) on their travels

 

Get in touch with your local MP and contact the Police again, The Link I gave in my previous post shows that the police can get involved if enough pressure is applied.

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It is my understanding that the period of '14 days' would be from the date of service of the Court Order (which has not yet been sent). 

I noticed that you have also mentioned that you have moved again.

Have you make arrangements to ensure that the court order will reach you? 

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Yes, I set up a royal mail redelivery before moving this time so I get mail which is sent to my old address. If the 14 days starts from the date the order is sent, I should be able to send the TE7 form again then.

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I still have not received the Court Order and a lot of time has passed. When I call the court, the automated system asks me to email but they are not responding to my emails.

 

I've also just had 4 more enforcement notices arrive for PCNs for failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle issued by Hackney Council so as working on a letter to my MP as the endless PCNs are consuming too much of my life. 

 

Do you know what forms I need to submit to challenge the new penalty notices? Is it PE2/PE3 forms this time around?

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On 04/01/2022 at 23:54, dx100uk said:

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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This company AK Vehicle Management Limited looks like a shell company (One Company registered to another and then another, all hiding behind Virtual Office Address or Companys offering the address for business  registrations).

 

Their Websites(s) and Facebook page offer little else apart from a phone number and even then the person answering the phone will not give a real location.

The directors of this and the associated companies are NOT registered with ICO, so that would explain a lack of response to a SAR.

 

@BailiffAdvice is correct, it looks like a bulk of their business is supplying PCO ready vehicles.

 

Do you have a Apple or Google Phone and is location turned on?

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If it is, are you able to tally up up the dates and times of the traffic offences?

 

If yes to the above, I would strongly advise you make a statutory declaration using the information to hand to prove you were not present at the time the offences took place.

A Full Guide to Statutory Declarations | Notary.co.uk.co.uk

 

A shotgun approach would be to make a SD with this information and send that to all partys concerned. TEC, TFL, All London Councils. Whilst a drastic approach this may reduce or stop any more tickets coming your way. It may even trigger a response from some council who could ask their Civil Enforcement Officers to keep a lookout for the vehicle on their rounds.

 

The sooner the fake driver can be stopped, the sooner you can stop any more tickets coming your way.

In the meantime,I wish you luck with your local MP and getting him/her involved to resolve this matter

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That is a great idea.  I dont know if it is usable as l cant remember a case where it was used in the uk. But as l have always been told if you dont try you dont get. 

Have you got anything like a letter from your employer of the time, a letter from the landlord of the property, a letter from where you was staying in the other country. Any receipts from where you lived, bank statement saying where money was withdrawn or payments made using bank card. 

 

This might be able to prove that you was not able to be driving a car in London while somewhere else 

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The OP has stated in a previous post that they do indeed have a letter confirming that he was abroad for some time during some of the traffic offences.

 

The SD approach is recommended by a number of solicitors during identity theft, as to if it works will largely depend on how councils/TEC/TFL choose to deal with it.

I suspect that in this case the involvement of the local MP will be needed to force the issue.

 

As to if a council will use CEO's to locate a vehicle, yes they can, a friend of mine who works as a CEO for a council near to me, he and his collegues were asked to look out for a vehicle which was collecting tickets, The vehicle had cloned plates and the innocent party was receiving demands for payment/bailiff action. The innocent party got the local MP involved, The Vehicle Reg got loaded onto police ANPR and the local CEO's were asked to keep a eye for it on their travels, they found it, got the vehicle towed back to the police compound and waited for the offender to get in touch. The Council rescinded the tickets.

 

Hopefully, regulars of this forum who are more experienced in dealing with how to fight the tickets at this current stage will be able offer the OP more current advice, I hope my advice will prevent future problems

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Yes some of the time. not all hence why proof is needed for the rest of time. Also the evidence has been previously rejected so again more needed 

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