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    • pdf's merged and properly named. thread title updated. word fine replaced by charge in post one....they are not fines mere speculative invoices. just type no need to keep hitting quote.   dx  
    • Nice work dx, much what I thought and glad to have it confirmed by the expert. Radio silence remains my game plan, I have been resident in Scotland since birth and although I had moved a couple of years prior to defaulting, all addresses were updated and I am confident all begging letters are coming to my current home address. I appreciate the info that they probably wouldn't get a claim in by Aug anyway - I think I'll hunt out my big box of badness in the next few days just to see if I can find any default notice letters so I can pin down some dates to satisfy my semi-OCD. Much obliged, and unlike some others i will look to update in the future as I certainly intend to send them the SB letter as I like to pull the chains of these types of cretins! Of course i'll be back to confirm the correct procedure if I get any "proper" legal letters other than the usual Overdales toilet paper type of scare tactic.  
    • statute barring in Scotland is 5yrs from last payment/use date or date of default Notice + 14 days, whichever is the later. dont confuse that with the 6yrs debts show on credit files (DN's 6th bday regardless to payment or not). they'd never get a claim raised by august in 99% of cases . as long all these debts were taken out whilst resident in scotland and you have not moved since taking them out but failed to inform the original creditor before the debt sale....... then stay radio silent until sb date is reached. then if you wish send our scottish sb letter. just remember unlike E&W in scotland debts are extinguished, dead , gone , parrot. once SB'd dx  
    • Hi all, Love this site and it's no nonsense advice, have dipped in and out of the consumer forums over the years, mostly to assure myself that what I was doing was the right thing when dealing with various businesses (almost 100% success rate, thanks in part to reading and more reading here.). Anyway, the time is almost approaching where I might need to ask for some specific help and I have a couple of queries that I can't see definitively answered. Due to financial mismanagement and severe anxiety issues I stopped paying all unsecured debt in December 2018 (one slipped to the first week in Jan 2019 when the last payment was made having rechecked my bank statement from that period - all my unsecured debt direct debits were cancelled in early Jan 2019). This has left half a dozen debts;  a couple of credit cards, a bank loan, Shop Direct and some Hitachi Finance stuff having been sold on and passing the rounds through the usual suspects, Lowells, Link, PRA Group, others related to them, and then back to them again. I have somehow successfully managed to maintain radio silence and avoided anything more worrying than their begging letters.  I have blocked their phone calls and texts, bumped all emails to the spambox and had a chuckle at their desperate letters.  I've never had anybody at the door.  I have been at the same address since before I defaulted and all correspondence comes to my current home address.  I have NEVER contacted them or admitted any debt. In anticipation of them perhaps ramping up action at the last minute I've had a look at my credit report on Credit Karma (rec'd from this very place) and I see that the default dates on these range from May 2019 to November 2019. Also in preperation I've been reading, reading and reading lots here as advised. Obviously being in Scotland there are a lot fewer posts relating to these matters and it's always quite annoying when OP's do not follow up with any outcome on their cases - how rude! This has also left me a bit confused of when I am able to finally breathe easy (although cancelling all the direct debits in Jan 2019 was the biggest sigh of relief as I knew it was all going to be unmanageable and, well, default one, default all.). I've been reading that defaults should be filed 3-6 months after the missed payment but one of my larger debts was defaulted on 27th August 2019 when the last payment I made was 10th December 2018, meaning the first missed payment was 10th Jan 2019.   My query for now is - when should I infer that these debts are prescribed?  From when the payment was missed, or taking the default date plus 5 years from the credit report? The three I have with the May date are moot anyway as either way they are gone  - some letters from Lowell offering me 90% off to settle is what got me thinking these must have been near SB status, however I have one big 10k+ with a July date and another 10k+ at the end of August I am feeling a bit anxious again, even though I know there is nothing to worry about with the begging letters.  Reading the various forums I am not sure why the OC's didn't take action against me when I read time and again the surprise that other posters haven't already been taken to court for lesser amounts - I'm also surprised I've avoided any action this long as there are plenty in this forum and sub forum who are whisked off to the court by the beggers minions after only a year or so after defaulting.  There are no CCJ/decrees listed on my credit report and I have not received any such judgements against me.  I still just regularly receive the begging emails to the spambox, the blocked phone calls and the letters from the they. I'm also reading that there is no need in Scotland to send an LBC so what should I be looking out for to know that the time has come to engage with CCA requests etc? I'm afraid in a fit I threw a lot of the paperwork out but I have a box of stuff I'm going to go through which may have the original letters from the OC's. Thanks in advance for any advice.  
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Good afternoon,

I recently made a complaint to NatWest about Packaged Bank Account fees to try and reclaim them.

Natwest replied that they were unable to investigate the complaint due to a Package Account Notice of Variation, a Packaged Account Information pack and Annual Statements of Eligibility they have sent to me.

Just wondered if anybody else had success challenging this.

Any advice appreciated.

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your thread title states - time barred?

wonder why they are also putting up all those other excuses for not refunding you....?

 

 

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How far did you go back...more than 6 years ?  There is no time limit on how far back you can claim, in England and Wales the statute of limitation is six years, Scotland is five years. The further back you go, the harder it is to raise a claim but it is still possible.

 

If your package was sold more 15 years ago, Nat West are and was regulated at the time and if you didn't become aware of the mis- selling until recently, you can still raise a complaint and make a claim.

 

 

 

 

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i got £1700 back from the co-op in 2018 going back to the 1990's

theres no time limit, it's when YOU baecame aware you could reclaim.

 

have a read of a few of those threads in that link

then you'll have a few ideas how to move it forward.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thank you.

I will have a look through and find the threads.

I read somewhere before it was from the time you became aware but NatWest’s letter said the information I received from them was more than three years ago and hence they couldn’t investigate my complaint.

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they are trying to apply the FCA CCL letter ruling on PPI to other than PPI, that doesn't wash mostly.

 

it means they should have written to you informing you you could reclaim and you ignored them.

 

the stumbling block is sometimes the 'resonably been aware' you could have reclaimed ........

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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As NatWest have said they will not investigate is it worth going back to them again or do you think it should be sent straight to the Ombudsman?

 

When I took out the packaged account it was as it was the only way of having a continued overdraft at the time.

 

 Thanks.

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Thank you.

When NatWest quote the complaint falls outside the time limits for the bank to review complaints as set by the Financial Conduct Authority is this correct or is it being wrongly applied in this case?

 

Would the Ombudsman consider the complaint or just say the same as NatWest that it falls outside the time limits for them to review?

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I've already covered that in my post # 4......its a case of being a nuisance and you wont go away.....although you state the package fees go back to the 1990s...what date did you stop them or are you still paying for the package ?

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So if your still paying why have NW not upheld your complaint (claim) at least going back to 2014 ?...That's 6 years worth ?

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NatWest said it is outside the FCA three-year time rule as I was sent a Packaged Account Notice of Variation in 2013.

 

NatWest say this should have made me aware I had cause for concern and should have made enquiries to investigate the features of the account further.

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Nonsense.....raise it with the Ombudsman now ...stop paying the monthly fee......and scan redact and upload a copy of NW response.

Also.....try to get the word complaint out of your reasoning...this is not a complaint ...its a claim...complaints can be fobbed off....claims cant.

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You will have to check when stopping the fee if you can on the current account type...you may have to switch account to a standard account or possibly another unconnected Bank.

 

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here...

 

i believe since the 'closure' of the PPI debacle in aug 2019 this was more widely used for other 'claims'.

 

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PPI CCL 3yrs letters final fg12-17.pdf

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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NatWest didn’t mention anywhere that they sent a CCL letter to me as part of their reasons.

Their decision on the three-year time rule is based on sending me the Packaged account notice of variation which they say was sufficient to make me aware of the inappropriateness of the account for me and the options to switch to a fee-free account.

As it doesn’t mention anywhere that this is a final decision do you think I should contact them first or go straight to the Ombudsman?

 Thanks 🙂

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yes. back to NW

but you need to play the game of chess properly and always out think their next move.

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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